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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by LorenPechtel »

turkishguy34 wrote: post #67

If you inspect the article and its author, you can easily see that its author Yasin Kesen is a member of FETO ( Fetullah Gulen's Terrorist Organization ) and he is run off from Turkey to Germany just before than 15 July coup attempt ( in this attempt, FETO is killed more than 300 innocent civil person in streets, bridges and homes. They misilled bombs from airplanes, they attacked also TBMM (Grand National Assembly o…

A lot of us think that if it was a real coup attempt that the mastermind was Erdogan. Infiltrate the coup plotters and trigger a hopeless coup.

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Post by tetris11 »

kyriakos wrote: post #138
pjc50 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone wants to definitively close the door, because then a whole load of ugly follow-on questions like Cyprus get worse.

Cyprus has really nothing to do with this. If accession talks fail Republic of Cyprus is still the recognised government of the whole island but currently has no control over the the occupied area. Just like it was when Cyprus was accepted in EU. Turkish Cypriots already have EU citizenship via Republic of Cyprus, the only isolated population is the illegal Turkish settlers in North Cyprus.

> Turkish Cypriots already have EU citizenship via Republic of Cyprus, the only isolated population is the illegal Turkish settlers in North Cyprus.

Children of Turkish Cypriot and Turkish marriages are not granted passports.

The relative isolationism of T/C as well as the high (recessive) Thalassemia, means T/C marry outside their villages quote often.

T/C are therefore dwindling every generation due to one T parent voiding their passport rights, or inbreeding reducing their lifespans.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

Tomte wrote: post #6
Alupis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

We only need a deal on 'refugees' with Turkey because of political cowardice.

In practice we don't need a deal, we need to secure the EU border as we should be.

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Post by Aduket »

imraj96 wrote: post #123
Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

Genuinely curious to know why you think the gulen movement is a bigger threat to secularism & democracy in Turkey & the world. From my findings, they start & fund secular schools(elementary to university), fund & organize interfaith dialogues, fund social programmes etc. I've skimmed a couple of books written by Fetullah gulen and what he preaches peace, love and cooperation amongst all. Of course, every group has it…

That's the beauty of it; he had been favored as the harbinger of "moderate and peaceful islam that west had been trying to spread in the middle east, starting from turkey", and he played it pretty well in their eyes. and by milking this very support of the western countries, he managed to infiltrate in very critical positions in Turkey, thanks to his well educated followers, who were picked up from poor families as teens in the outskirts of Turkey. For this very reason, his followers also have held key positions in many african and asian countries.

These well educated brainwashed army of his followers, who are hidden their secret agenda under the "peace, love and cooperation" are greater threat to Turkey and all these corresponding countries than Erdogan might dare to pose, whose followers are just uneducated, nationalist inferiority complex driven, unintelligent turkish people.

Yes, it is certain that it was fethullah gulen movement behind the coup. However, erdogan took advantage of this to gain the absolute power of the country and to suppress all the opposing voices.

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Post by frongpik »

petre wrote: post #53
prox wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

Hardly. He's got a tight grip on the media, imprisoned or silenced most of the opposition, purged the military and the police after the failed coup and has the support of the conservative Turks, which basically granted him a mandate for many years to come. He'll probably end up being president for the rest of his life, just like Franco. Now his ambitions lie beyond the Turkush border into Southern Caucasus and Europe…

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Post by merth »

planetis wrote: post #77
istanbul7 wrote: post #43

That website controlled by followers of gulen that killed 250 innocent people in 2016. Can somebody tell me that DAES (ISIS) related main news websites is allowed in Western countries.

Mr, in democratic societies voicing your views is protected by the freedom of speech. However hate speech and extremist groups preaching it should be prosecuted, as criminal organizations. A Jewish philosopher has advocated for this stance (whose name I've forgotten). Are you a sympathizer of this group by any chance? Why do you think it would be beneficial for a person living in a Western country being subjected to…

staging coup and killing 250 civilians isn't extreme enough for you?

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Post by MrMorden »

metroholografix wrote: post #12
siculars wrote: post #2

Really looking forward to see how the EU respond here with Turkey vs, say, China or Google or FB. It's just interesting to me how values change depending on whom you're talking to.

It's telling that only an outgoing US administration decided to -weakly- sanction Turkey over the Russian missile fiasco. The European Union looks more and more like a banking cartel than a federation of nation states. Germany and Spain, that vehemently opposed sanctions in the last eurogroup, are doing good business selling weapons to Turkey. Weapons, that are then used by Turkey to openly threaten Greece and Cyprus…

Turkey's S-400 system was both contracted for and delivered during the Trump administration. We'll see what the US does or doesn't do when the president isn't the weakest since Harrison.

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Post by morsch »

bitcharmer wrote: post #16

I have no idea how this dictatorship is even considered for EU membership. Can someone explain this to me?

There is zero actual consideration for membership in the last years or the forseeable future. It's a diplomatic fantasy. But it'd be a counterproductive affront to formally rule it out now, as it would give the guy political capital in interior politics. On the other hand, maybe it'll be useful as a threat in the future.

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Post by redwood »

bzb6 wrote: post #41
hcho wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

Maybe so but they are entirely different countries currently in the things that matter.

Perhaps you don't realize that the heart of ancient Greece was really in what we now call modern-day turkey
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