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Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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Perhaps you'd be better off posting from one of your alternate accounts if you want to remain incognito: [redacted]

Thanks for noting this, that is some serious scheming, down to inserting typos to disguise talking to himself with sockpuppet accounts. Edit: thanks for the downvote, Greg. Edit2: this was the link: [redacted]

I've never used any alternative account to post here, nor do I use any on Reddit. Contrarian isn't me, and anyone who spent a bit inspecting his 9+ year reddit history would easily see that.

The allegation that he is me is an absurd bit of nonsense spread to try to harm his and my reputation (which is kinda weird, since I'd be proud to be the author of most of his posts). ... mostly spread by people promoting the activities of the con-man Craig Wright, but also somewhat promoted by employees of Saint Bitts LLC (Roger Ver) as a part of their effort to defraud cryptocurrency users and hide from the consequences of the unlawful and unethical activities that Contrarian and I have brought to light.

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> Edit: thanks for the downvote, Greg.

I hadn't ( https://0bin.net/paste/EVtgwnwh#ZAMwmphwqkYrm-NQuWpnQFvsbESq... ), when I thought you'd merely been duped. You've earned one now, especially with reposting that absurdist attack garbage even after being informed that it was incorrect.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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post #137

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I'm seeing a lot of valid concerns and criticisms of Blockstream's actions and methods. I dont think they can be dismissed with ad hominems.

> I'm seeing a lot of valid concerns and criticisms of Blockstream's actions and methods I've carefully reviewed each post in the thread and cannot find that. Instead, I see a couple vague and clearly false allegations which are unambiguously debunked. What specifically are you referring to? For the avoidance of confusion, the anonymous maintainer of "Bitcoin Cash" (a deceptively named Bitcoin clone) is named "Freetr…

No, different guy.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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The above shouldn't be downvoted. It's an interesting statement What do you think of the Lightning Network? Lightning Network channels specify a blockchain hash, so Bitcoin is supported but other cryptocurrencies could be used (if the HTLC scripts, etc., were ported) The Lightning Network web of payment channels looks good to me. You can see how it can form an efficient "overlay" on any cryptocurrency that provides s…

I find LN's UX really painful. Ethereum's layer 2 solutions are far ahead in terms of user experience. The other day I had to settle an election bet, and either I settle it in stablecoin on high tx fees of ETH/BTC or try explaining one of the layer-2 solutions. And no, I can't pay them in USDT on bch because that requires them to get a new wallet. Raiden network which is Ethereum's LN like solution, faces the same pr…

> I find LN's UX really painful.

What did you find painful, and which wallet(s)?

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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post #140

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Bitcoin adoption was growing and working well for monetary transfer but its capacity was throttled to encourage use of an unproven technology, the lightning network. The claim, as far as understand it, is that Blockstream supported this plan, anticipating its failure, while working on its own replacement technology, Liquid. Ironically, both liquid and lightning appear to be failing. Nb, both grubles and nullc have so…

> Bitcoin adoption was growing and working well for monetary transfer but its capacity was throttled to encourage use of an unproven technology, the lightning network. What? Bitcoin's capacity has been limited its entire life, the limits were coded in by Bitcoin's creator. The limits are integral to protecting Bitcoin's decentralization, and have nothing in particular to do with lightning. Alternative blockchains wit…

>Bitcoin's capacity has been limited its entire life, the limits were coded in by Bitcoin's creator.

I researched this and found that Bitcoin had no initial capacity limit and that one was added as a temporary spam measure, not as a design choice.

When I see misrepresentations like that, I'm more suspicious of everything you've written.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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post #140

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> Bitcoin adoption was growing and working well for monetary transfer but its capacity was throttled to encourage use of an unproven technology, the lightning network. What? Bitcoin's capacity has been limited its entire life, the limits were coded in by Bitcoin's creator. The limits are integral to protecting Bitcoin's decentralization, and have nothing in particular to do with lightning. Alternative blockchains wit…

>Bitcoin's capacity has been limited its entire life, the limits were coded in by Bitcoin's creator. I researched this and found that Bitcoin had no initial capacity limit and that one was added as a temporary spam measure, not as a design choice. When I see misrepresentations like that, I'm more suspicious of everything you've written.

> I researched this and found that Bitcoin had no initial capacity limit

That is simply untrue. From the very first version it had two capacity limits, an explicit one (https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/master/src...), and a smaller implicit and unintentional one (of about 500k) owing to the maximum locks that could be grabbed in a single BDB transaction.

Satoshi later reduced the explicit limit further and provided no explanation for doing so ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a30b56ebe76ffff9f9... ). However, there was no issue with spam at the time or previously, nor mention of spam, and the network already had a separate and highly functional spam limiting mechanism. Had he intended to make the limit simply temporary he could have trivially programmed it that way-- e.g. as we did when we discovered the ~500kb limit, we wrote a rule that limited blocks to 500kb and then expired a few months later.

The claim that it was a "temporary anti-spam limit" is a novel construction that I don't believe I saw ever claimed until many years after that change.

At least by the time Satoshi went inactive he was well aware of the trade-offs: "Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices." ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg289... )

Perhaps you should consider conducting "research" by having an open discussion with an actual expert rather than just reading manipulative tracts designed to sucker people into buying alternatives? :)

I'm happy to direct you to primary reference material even though you continue to treat me rudely and disrespectfully.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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They never should have allowed it in the first place. By testing the waters of trading custodial currencies they were really pushing the limits. BTC has been a joke ever since the GitHub repo was hijacked by Blockstream and Adam Back. The only interesting cryptocurrencies are Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash and Monero. The rest are either obvious scams or dead ends at this point. A lot of people were holding out hope for dece…

The Blockstream hijack lie is getting really old.

And it doesn't age well either. Both gmax and pieter are not even in it anymore. Blockstream's contributions (what you consider 'hijacking') to Bitcoin are pretty slim at this point.

Which is a pity, honestly. Blockstream was a good force for bitcoin, despite the continuous stream of baseless lies coming from you people.

Gmax made a much better summary of why your statements are all baseless babbling below...

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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The argument as far as I'm aware is that it's like Bitcoin, except with transaction fees low enough to make it actually usable as a currency as opposed to being a pure store of value.

It's not only that. There is also the "replace by fee" stuff that allows BCH to make instant payments with 0 confirmations for small values. This was hinted by Satoshi as well, but was made impossible by the current BTC.

Wow that's super-confused!

The original Bitcoin software supported transaction replacement. You could mark a transaction as non-final and then it could be replaced until it got confirmed (potentially gated by its locktime) or until a replacement was made that was marked final. As is necessary in a distributed system, the replacement and non-replacement was best-effort and an older version could be confirmed (or a version made later than a final version). Replacement was intended for use with payment channels, like incrementally updating an open account paying someone.

Unfortunately, the functionality had a flaw: It enabled a DOS attack. You could make a transaction then replace it 2^32 times and only pay one fee. So we disabled it. Without the explicit functionality you could still replace transactions by spamming nodes (and esp miners) with the new transaction and hoping they accepted it, but it wasn't very reliable but also no longer DOS-attackable.

Later, people pointed out that the DOS attack could be avoided if it was also required that each replacement increase the tx fee by at least the minimum transaction fee that would have been accepted. And the functionality was re-enabled: you could again mark transactions as non-final.

When BCH was created they ripped out the functionality and falsely claimed that this made 'instant payments with 0 confirmations for small values' possible. This makes literally zero sense: First, in BCH you can still replace unconfirmed transactions, it's just less reliable. Secondly, replacement is functionality intended to enable faster transactions! Thirdly, you can disable it in Bitcoin (or replace a non-final one with a final version) and get the same behaviour as BCH if that's what your use case requires.

Finally, its alleged that this was some dastardly move by Bitcoin devs to "break" "0-conf" transactions, fuled by people who can't understand that Bitcoin devs saying 0-conf transactions are not very secure doesn't mean that they don't like your ability to make them if you want to, and it ignores the fact that the basic replacement functionality was there in the very first version ( https://github.com/trottier/original-bitcoin/blob/92ee8d9a99... ) and had been disabled by the self-same people being attacked for adding it.

It's basically 5G CAUSES COVID level of inanity, and it breaks my heart to see people duped by telephone-game polished versions of it.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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It's not only that. There is also the "replace by fee" stuff that allows BCH to make instant payments with 0 confirmations for small values. This was hinted by Satoshi as well, but was made impossible by the current BTC.

>It's not only that. There is also the "replace by fee" stuff that allows BCH to make instant payments with 0 confirmations for small values. Can you elaborate on this? I did a quick search and the gist of it seems to be that BCH doesn't support replace by fee and bitcoin does, so therefore it's possible to "safely" accept 0 confirmation transactions on BCH because you can reasonably believe that it won't be double-s…

He's extremely confused.

The bcash people argued that replace-by-fee (RBF) functionality made unconfirmed transactions unsafe to accept.

Except as you can tell from the name, unconfirmed transactions are not safe to accept RBF or not.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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Probably illegal pretty much anywhere.

Legal != ethical

Ethics are subjective. Asking "Is it ethical?" to a large group of people is little better than asking "Is chocolate the best flavor of ice cream?"

Legality is a more concrete and easier to give a firm answer to. If you want to have a reasonable conversation on the internet with random strangers of different belief systems, questions like "is it ethical" go right out the window.

Re: Coinbase to Suspend Trading in XRP

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post #128

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That doesn't answer my initial question, how is blockstream supposed to monetize lightning, or anything for that matter? >The claim, as far as understand it, is that Blockstream supported this plan, anticipating its failure, while working on its own replacement technology, Liquid. I took a quick skim of blockstream's materials on liquid, and it sounds like it's something totally different to lightning? They describe…

The claim is not that Blockstream intended to profit from Lightning. Rather they used the promise of Lightning to throttle Bitcoin, in order to profit from Liquid.

Nonsense. Liquid is directly dependent on Bitcoin's success.

And as has been stated before, Blockstream employees got a chunk of their pay check in bitcoin. Do you really think they'd try to "throttle" their own livelihood?

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