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‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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It's too bad YouTube doesn't let you keep your history (so you can go back and find something you saw before) without it feeding into recommendations.

Its available with YouTube premium. Complete ad removal and the ability to download videos is well worth the cost.

You can get those features from freeware browser extensions.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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I just find them to be dumb. 50% of my recommendations are videos I've already watched.

I have this problem too. It's stuff I've watched or it's stuff I've scrolled past uninterested in a dozen times. Basically the only time I casually find something I want to watch is when a subscription uploads new content

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

Wow, I watch high-quality, beautiful, comforting and inspiring, knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics, cool, useful and healthy.

The others watch stupid, destructive, worse kind of content.

I guess everyone can claim the same because all these properties of what someone watch are highly subjective and a matter of taste, preferences and pure opinion.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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Youtube, like all social media tends to give you more of what you consume.

If you watch social commentary, or God forbid anything to do with race or gender you'll be feed the worst parts of the internet.

Watch videos on the X86 instruction set, you'll get more of that. I tend to stick to music and programing.

I did find a gem where someone animated the original Star Wars episode 9 script, but even that was a rare diamond in the rough. For that one video , you have hundreds of people whining about how Disney ruined everything.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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For me YouTube recommendations are not toxic, they are so amazing I some times wonder how comes the world around is not heaven when everybody has free access to this. That's because I always watch high-quality educational content and some beautiful comforting and inspiring music. So for me YouTube is a fountain of knowledge, visual and musical aesthetics etc. Every day I get inspiration, healthy kind of fun and learn…

I concur, but that's because I use YouTube for very narrow niche content that the algorithm helps me find. If I was open to YouTube helping me figure out what to get interested in, I have every reason to believe it would be as horrible as what Spotify tries to get me to listen to or the sponsored posts Instagram shoves down my feed.

For the record, YouTube is full of amazing German-language TV documentaries, and since many of them are posted by unofficial accounts (read: not the broadcaster's channel), it's the algorithm that surfaces them, not search.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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I find youtube recommendations crap because if I watch something on one subject it seems to assume the subject is now the love of my life and proceeds to offer a zillion on just that subject. regarding what the article is talking about ... eh, it seems like they're saying it works fine but sometimes puts up videos whose politics they don't like. Short of going in and removing the stuff you don't like so that other pe…

>it seems to assume the subject is now the love of my life christ, no kidding. this was my first clue that google has fundamentally changed as a company and it was time for me to leave. ive been using gmail since it came out and watching YouTube with a signed-in, non adblocked experience for years. the algorithim doest give a SHIT. if i watch one "The Office" clip, thats suddenly 60-80% of my feed despite the fact th…

I suspect there's a simple explanation. Sometimes people go on massive subject binges and there's likely certain videos that are more likely to trigger this than others. If you watched one the youtube algorithm is basically asking if you'd like to binge the rest because a lot of other people did.

In terms of watch time and retention on site I imagine those binges are gold hence why they've ended up being optimised for.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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The Paperclip Maximizer is a thought experiment that shows that if you apply a powerful AGI to something completely innocuous, things can go hilariously wrong over time.

https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/paperclip-maximizer

People are amused to read the story, and then go on their way.

But what happens if you apply a rather less powerful AI to something else even just a little bit less innocuous? (like optimizing to grab people's attention, as is happening here).

I think you can get spectacular results.

And of course even if the AI is low powered, it can still work as an effective amplifier for human activity, both good and bad: (See: Myanmar, Cambridge Analytica, etc)

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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>it seems to assume the subject is now the love of my life christ, no kidding. this was my first clue that google has fundamentally changed as a company and it was time for me to leave. ive been using gmail since it came out and watching YouTube with a signed-in, non adblocked experience for years. the algorithim doest give a SHIT. if i watch one "The Office" clip, thats suddenly 60-80% of my feed despite the fact th…

Oh the ads. I cannot underestimate the annoyance it has caused to viewers. Seeing the numerous memes making fun of those asset flip adware turned "games" makes me die a little inside. Now I actively push my normie friends to install uBlock Origin on their devices. And Vanced or NewPipe when it worked.

You could just pay for youtube premium?

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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I learned to like it over time. YouTube recommendations helped me find incredibly valuable content which I don't think I would be able to find without the algorithm being new to the topic and not quite knowing where to look. These days, if I find myself interested in a new topic, I intentionally make a few searches knowing that YT will bring something relevant in the future and it's generally going to be even better than the web search because for some topics, the barrier to making a good YT video is much higher than making a high ranking article or a web site.

Re: ‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm (2019)

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YT algorithm is great for me. I learn a ton about: woodworking, violin technique, folk music, StarCraft, math, coding, home improvement, DIY projects, etc.

What is toxic is the viral ideology that infects the mind of many, many humans. We need education and social interaction to counterbalance the anti-truth conspiracy infection that social media is spreading.

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