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Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by mekster »

rorykoehler wrote: post #131
mekster wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood what Apple tax is. They deliver according to their price. It's just people don't realize the value.

I don’t disagree but their markups on storage and memory for example are way above normal market rates.

No, you get that idea wrong...

It's great Apple pretty much delivers identical devices on a same product line except on the disk space. It's more than the disks for laptops but this means everyone pretty much gets the same experience even if you get the cheapest version and you don't have to go through the technical spec sheet that most people don't understand to figure what you're missing from the more expensive versions or you're physically missing on some features.

You'd rather get the same stuff at cheaper price if you don't care about disk space. It's not the disk space is more expensive than market price...

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by wcarron »

kbos87 wrote: post #19

I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

> That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very small, hyper-niche businesses that otherwise wouldn't exist.

Businesses like that have no right to exist if their business model depends entirely on the invasion and flagrant abuse of privacy. Even if we assume that these businesses exist thanks to facebook, the ends do not justify the means. The economic value added doesn't offset the privacy violations. It doesn't "make up" for it.

> Facebook's access to user data should be curtailed significantly, and sadly, businesses likely will suffer. There doesn't seem to be a good, evident third option just yet.

There doesn't need to be a third option. Facebook and businesses who rely on such granular data, which is able to be gathered only by massively violating privacy, can and should pay equally massive penalties and/or be wiped out.

Yes, people are behind those businesses, and rely on data collection/tracking for their livelihoods, but honestly, they deserve no sympathy. They can get a job at Subway instead. The ends do not, and have never, justified the means.

Whatever apple can do to drive a stake through the heart of Facebook (and goog and others, honestly), is a positive.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by yunohn »

wcarron wrote: post #142
kbos87 wrote: post #19

I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

> That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very small, hyper-niche businesses that otherwise wouldn't exist. Businesses like that have no right to exist if their business model depends entirely on the invasion and flagrant abuse of privacy. Even if we assume that these businesses…

I feel like you’ve misinterpreted OP. Even after they explained themselves with clear disclaimers.

They meant that online ads have enabled small businesses to target niche clientele and make cool things, without burning money competing for adspace with everyone else.

This is absolutely true, you can ask lots of people, including tech nerds on HN who buy off Instagram ads.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by bryanmgreen »

The problem is NOT that data is used for targeted advertising.

The problem IS that I don't trust who owns and shares that data and what else it could be used it for.

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In a theoretically perfect trustworthy world, would I relax my security settings if I knew that my information would only be used to show me advertisements for audio equipment and scotch? Totally.

But no, I do not and will never trust Facebook or basically any other corporation to not abuse my data.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by cronix »

notRobot wrote: post #3

Boo fucking hoo. There's a lot that I don't like about Apple. But I'm with them here. Anything that fucks with FB's terrible privacy invading business model is a-okay by me.

Ahhh, those sweet free Google Search advertising bucks for giving preferential treatment in the default search settings. FB obviously doesn't pay Apple enough to look the other way on "privacy" on this one.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by utf_8x »

acruns wrote: post #4

This feature and fb's hate for it makes me seriously consider moving back to. iOS.

One of the reasons I've been on iOS for a few years now. As things stand, Apple is probably the least untrustworthy tech giant out there. I still don't trust them, but I'd rather go with Apple than Google at the moment.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by rchaud »

jkubicek wrote: post #100
ksec wrote: post #74

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Most of those business dont need a website. They only need one place ( cough centralised cough ) where their customer can easily find them, have all the relevant information, ( Email, Tele, Opening Time etc ), and a small space for newest update. Which could be special menu once in a while. And that is it. It is the same thing as most business dont need an App. And on the last point, you dont need a Facebook account…

> Most of those business dont need a website. They only need one place ( cough centralised cough ) where their customer can easily find them, have all the relevant information, ( Email, Tele, Opening Time etc ), and a small space for newest update. Which could be special menu once in a while. And that is it. It is the same thing as most business dont need an App. I feel like what you described is just a website. The…

Websites can be free. Wix and Webflow will let you create and host one at no cost if you're OK with a subdomain of the vendor.

The cost and effort of moving that subdomain to a self branded domain is relatively cheap as well

Besides that, Google My Business also lets you create a barebones site, which is especially useful as it's integrated with Maps and shows open/close hours, manage reviews and feedback. Bing Places does this as well.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Post by JKCalhoun »

yunohn wrote: post #143
wcarron wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very small, hyper-niche businesses that otherwise wouldn't exist. Businesses like that have no right to exist if their business model depends entirely on the invasion and flagrant abuse of privacy. Even if we assume that these businesses…

I feel like you’ve misinterpreted OP. Even after they explained themselves with clear disclaimers. They meant that online ads have enabled small businesses to target niche clientele and make cool things, without burning money competing for adspace with everyone else. This is absolutely true, you can ask lots of people, including tech nerds on HN who buy off Instagram ads.

> They meant that online ads have enabled small businesses to target niche clientele and make cool things

I feel they did acknowledge this. But added that this doesn't justify privacy invasion on a massive scale - something your not countering.

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