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Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by wut42 »

CKN23-ARIN wrote: post #133
JPDeckers wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I own 2048 IPv4’s myself and their value is ever increasing. I own several /22's, and are renting them out through a broker. So far, 1 months rent (easily) covers the yearly RIR costs, so quite a good margin, and I still own them. So when time comes, I can sell them, but before that, rent keeps coming in. Just need to make sure they are sold before the market value of an IPv4 crashes to zero.

What kind of entities does your broker rent them out to? Are you worried at all about tenants trashing your IPs' reputation and future market value?

This is a good question, I don't get why you are downvoted. I also own some /22 and I've been so far reluctant to rent them for the reasons you mentioned.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by kortilla »

hpoe wrote: post #14

From what I understand the problem with IPv6 isn't technical problems it is with legacy. According to what I know in Africa and Asia they have mostly already been running on IPv6 the problem is just basically a bunch of lazy network admins in NA and the EU that don't want to learn the new tech and organizations that don't want to switch.

It has nothing to do with network admins. Everything the majority of customers care about in the US is available on IPv4 and sometimes ipv6. If v6 goes down for your customers, they probably won’t even notice. If you don’t have v4, you don’t have a business.

It hasn’t even been that long that Amazon EC2 has had v6 support, which is where a huge chunk of the Internet is hosted.

The network admins at ISPs are just providing connectivity the customers demand. It’s hosting providers and sys admins that don’t bother setting up anything interesting on v6 in the first place.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by pietrovismara »

obilgic wrote: post #27

Impressive, however just like the stock market, if you try to dump all those, It won't worth anything close to $2B.

Someone always has to make this argument.

A) we all know, we're not 6 years old.

B) it doesn't really matter, the value is still $2B. It's not the total dump sale value we care for but the actual value of these addresses in the hands of Amazon.

Edit: apply this same exact comment also to any discussion about Bezos' net worth

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by rdbell »

tpetry wrote: post #128
aritmo wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are they doing?

Very often your residential connection is sold as proxy to e.g. circumvent rate limits. Companies like luminati are used for example for scraping google search results and many more things.

My startup offers a residential IP sharing model where users get paid to share their bandwidth: https://packetstream.io

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by jiggawatts »

kortilla wrote: post #142
hpoe wrote: post #14

From what I understand the problem with IPv6 isn't technical problems it is with legacy. According to what I know in Africa and Asia they have mostly already been running on IPv6 the problem is just basically a bunch of lazy network admins in NA and the EU that don't want to learn the new tech and organizations that don't want to switch.

It has nothing to do with network admins. Everything the majority of customers care about in the US is available on IPv4 and sometimes ipv6. If v6 goes down for your customers, they probably won’t even notice. If you don’t have v4, you don’t have a business. It hasn’t even been that long that Amazon EC2 has had v6 support, which is where a huge chunk of the Internet is hosted. The network admins at ISPs are just prov…

First: Here in Australia no major ISPs provide a native IPv6 service, and if they do, they don't provide it to business. It's obscenely difficult to obtain IPv6 in Australia. None of the major telcos do it, you have to go down the list to like the 5th or 6th biggest ones before it becomes an "experimental option" for residential connections only.

Second: Ever since IPv6 has been a thing, I've offered to customers the option to turn it on for free. No added charge. We'll just flip the switches and it's there. Not one customer, ever, has said "yes". They've all actively refused to turn it on, for any purpose.

Third: The few times IPv6 has been forced upon our customers, mostly due to Microsoft Windows DirectAccess, it was the network administrators frothing at the mouth, ranting and raving about how they don't want to do it, that DirectAccess should use IPv4 (I'll call Redmond and I'm sure they'll get right on it!), etc...

Fourth: As you've mentioned, AWS, Azure, and GCP had practically zero IPv6 support until very recently. Now, they have broken IPv6 support which is worse than useless, because it gives the impression that the problem is with IPv6, not with the people holding on to an appreciating asset of IPv4 addresses that they intend to use to lock out the competition.

TL;DR: IPv6 is held back by a combination of bad ISPs, lazy network admins, and monopoly seeking public cloud providers.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by CKN23-ARIN »

therealx wrote: post #56
Latty wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of NAT going on these days, and a lot of shared addresses. All those devices aren't all online at the same time. As I see it, IPv6 can't come fast enough. NAT really needs to die a death so people can actually use the internet fully, not only as a client or using hack-y work-arounds.

I want ipv6 as much as anyone, but we are not spending enough time preparing for NATs death. It's responsible for far more security than we as a collective would like to admit and there's a lot more we could be doing now to get ready.

I think we'll still see some people doing NAT66, unfortunately.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by jiggawatts »

mike_d wrote: post #73
hpoe wrote: post #14

From what I understand the problem with IPv6 isn't technical problems it is with legacy. According to what I know in Africa and Asia they have mostly already been running on IPv6 the problem is just basically a bunch of lazy network admins in NA and the EU that don't want to learn the new tech and organizations that don't want to switch.

> a bunch of lazy network admins in NA and the EU that don't want to learn the new tech Google is seeing 43% IPv6 traffic in the US, 50% in Germany, 35% in Japan, and 17% in Gabon (the most of any African country). The data seems to support the exact opposite of your assessment.

Don't confuse long-range www traffic with the total number of endpoints. Serving a single page might take dozens or even hundreds of interacting services.

Not one of our enterprise customers has IPv6 enabled.

Not one of the public clouds we manage have IPv6 addresses on their virtual networks.

Meanwhile, putting a CDN in front of an otherwise 100% IPv4 web server will add an IPv6 address whether you like it or not, and that traffic will contribute to those stats you mentioned.

This article is about public cloud providers hoarding IPv4, which applies to things like the PaaS and SaaS services, internal APIs, etc... which are nearly 100% IPv4 in all three of the big public cloud providers.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by daper »

For web serving it's possible to have IPv6-only server accessible to anyone. Just use Cloudflare. I'm not sure it's documented but I started using IPv6-only origin server behind Cloudflare and it seems to work OK for people connecting both IPv4 and IPv6. The client IP is in CF-Connecting-IP, even for IPv4 connections. For me it just works.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by iamgopal »

J0_k3r wrote: post #117
TechBro8615 wrote: post #49

I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

man I'd have just stuck with it for 20k a month damn, good luck getting a salary that high working for some company.

I think he must have sold it for couple of mills at minimum.

Re: Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses

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Post by kbumsik »

nodesocket wrote: post #116
TechBro8615 wrote: post #49

I used to own 10k IP addresses that I sold as proxy servers to internet marketers. I made about $20k a month and it paid my bills through college. I had no idea what I was doing and eventually shut down the company, but damn, I wish I at least kept control of those things. If you want to see some sketchy shit, look deeply into what the VPN companies are doing.

How did you acquire the original 10k addresses and what year was this?

Yeah I am curious too. How to own a public IP? Does it work like getting a domain name?
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