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Post by lsiebert »

terramex wrote: post #77
Bud wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

64-bit apps debuted something like 12 years ago on the Mac. The writing has thus been on the wall for circa a decade, as I said. You figured 32-bit would be supported for what, 20 years? 30?

> The writing has thus been on the wall for circa a decade, as I said. So do you say that there is writing on the wall for removing 32-bit support in Windows and Linux too? I certainly don't. If Apple deprecated 32-bit while introducing x64 then the writing would be on the wall but they kept supporting and updating 32-bit. > You figured 32-bit would be supported for what, 20 years? 30? At least one hardware generatio…

I saw someone post on a non work slack about their steam library, where they had a bunch of games that previously ran on mac, being decimated, and they meant decimated literally by catalina. 90% of their games were 32 bit.

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Post by matwood »

romanoderoma wrote: post #84
socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

> Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan horses. I don't intend to sound dismissive, but this line of thinking has a name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternalism

Or pragmatism. At some point it's better and easier for users to offload some of these decisions to someone else. I don't want to test every piece of food I buy at the grocery store for poison, the same way I don't want to have to deep dive into every app. And yes, I know the system is not perfect, but I'm talking about the general system here.

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Post by coldtea »

_up wrote: post #61
coldtea wrote: post #40

> Don’t be duped by performance, Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control Yes. That's the biggest benefit, and another reason I'm buying it (on top of great performance for my NLE apps). I want the Mac to be it's own platform, and be under Apple's control and vision. If it's also made foul-proof and air-tight, so much the better. I don't want another lowest common denominator OS converging on the same point.…

Can you leave these beautiful Japanese Gardens once you decided to enter or are you getting jailed there? Because you can't just leave Apples ecosystem unless willing to switch devices+ecosystem of course.

I've used Apple for 16+ years. I can leave at any moment.

Most apps I use are cross platform (Adobe CS, Cubase, Resolve), others are web based (Gmail, Basecamp, etc), my music is on Spotify, videos on Netflix and Prime, and my peripherals all work.

>Because you can't just leave Apples ecosystem unless willing to switch devices+ecosystem of course.

Well, I buy new laptop every 4-5 years or so. So if I want to move, I can always do so. If in a rush, I can always sell the old laptop in the first or second year too - with the added benefit that Macs keep their resale value better.

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Post by bfgoodrich »

Pesthuf wrote: post #18

I also think the marketing was genius. NOT labeling that graph they showed did exactly what they wanted. It was impressing the non tech people and the tech people ALL kept talking and talking about it - because it wasn't labeled. Apple's marketing is brilliant. It really gets the kind of people who think they are too smart to be marketed to AND the normies, all in one message.

Non tech people didn't care. Tech people could read the many details that Apple provided on specific performance claims.

And to be clear, the presentation claimed "this is a fast mobile processor that's very efficient". Both claims have been very soundly proven. So I'm not sure why they would attempt the deception you seem to be implying. There was simply no need.

The M1 release is fascinating because never have I seen such a frantic effort to dismiss something in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's a pretty great thing. Eh.

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Post by apecat »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #91
spijdar wrote: post #22

> However, that marginal improvement hardly seems worth upsetting the entire Mac OS developer and consumer software ecosystem. Really? This entire article is really dismissive, but this line especially struck me. I'm not convinced the M1 chip is some strange alien tech bypassing the laws of physics, but it seems clearly superior at its specific niche (single processes with an emphasis on low power usage, using fewer…

Having worked as a mobile app developer primarily on iOS, I quickly learned that many Android fans has an unhealthy obsession with Apple bordering on mental disorder. My Android developer co-worker has to use every opportunity given to rant about how superior Android was and how terrible iPhone was. Not to mention how downright evil Apple was.

I've noticed the same thing.

I admittedly do have an obsession with ranting about Android, but I find that there are fewer reasons to rant than five years ago. So I rant less.

As the Android platform has improved over the years, I find that the main reason I don't want people around me to use Android is the ridiculously short product lifecycle of many Android phones, and the risk of non-techies using unpatched devices.

I honestly think Apple's recent 5-6 years is unsustainable, but the three-year(?!) promise that seems to be a best case for Android is just obscene.

Someone at work said it's partially due to SoC manufacturers not providing drivers for new Android kernels for very long, but I might have misunderstood.

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Post by tmccrary55 »

hehetrthrthrjn wrote: post #70
fredoralive wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick look at previous transitions shows... Classic Mac OS support (both 68k and PPC): OS X 10.0 was released March 2001, dropped with 10.5 released October 2007. So about 6 years, 8 months. PowerPC Mac OS X app support: First Intel Mac January 2006, support dropped with 10.7 in July 2011, so 5 years 5 months. 32 bit iOS app support: iPhone 5S with 64 bit CPU released October 2013, 32 bit app support removed in iOS…

Keep in mind that there is a much larger installed base of Intel machines than any of those other transitions. Apple is unlikely to want to alienate so many people. It will take several years for the percentage of Intel Mac users to fall under 50%. I see Intel support continuing for closer to 10 years.

While I don't disagree, Apple users also seem to be the fastest to upgrade to new versions of Apple OSes and tech. They're already like 90%+ upgraded to the new macOS, etc.

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Post by rsynnott »

socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

And in any case there's no reason they couldn't do that on Intel if they wanted to. IIRC there was some Windows variant back in the day that did this on Intel. Windows 10S, possibly?

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Post by coldtea »

swiley wrote: post #73
coldtea wrote: post #40

> Don’t be duped by performance, Apple’s M1 silicon is all about platform control Yes. That's the biggest benefit, and another reason I'm buying it (on top of great performance for my NLE apps). I want the Mac to be it's own platform, and be under Apple's control and vision. If it's also made foul-proof and air-tight, so much the better. I don't want another lowest common denominator OS converging on the same point.…

Apple's walled gardens don't solve the maleware problem. People get code Apple doesn't approve of onto their platforms all the time. What these things do make more difficult is community maintained software, which is what made the platforms you feel nostalgic about so nice.

>Apple's walled gardens don't solve the maleware problem.

It reduces it to the point of being a non-problem.

>People get code Apple doesn't approve of onto their platforms all the time.

Only if they put it there themselves. 99.99% of those "Apple viruses" one hears are just trojans.

And if you stick to the Mac App Store and trusted sources (Adobe, MS, etc), you get close to zero malware, with the ocassional "missed it at Mac App store review" exception that gets stomped on soon.

I think this is enough:

https://www.pandasecurity.com/en/mediacenter/mobile-security....

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Post by dhruvmittal »

jsgo wrote: post #138
socialdemocrat wrote: post #68

The truth is somewhere in the middle, so while this article has some good points it is too colored by a strong dislike for all things Apple and borderline conspiratorial thinking. I don’t think there is anything that suggests Apple is going to stop people from installing Apps outside their App Store. Rather it is about making sure it is easy for regular users to get Apps in a safe manner without malware and Trojan ho…

Hope so, but Apple implemented the wholesale Metal Only (not Metal Only unless you run a command in terminal) update which killed off using Nvidia cards for those of us who bought MBPs for eGPUing Nvidia cards. Considering Apple hardware doesn’t have a Nvidia option and people like me are probably niche to bring their own GPU (even though CUDA exists), it’d be highly unrealistic to think that Nvidia would rewrite the…

Possibly naive question but does anyone know if CUDA is supported on the new M1 macs? I think I heard on a podcast last week that eGPUs would no longer be supported, but I can't find a reference.

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Post by coldtea »

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #65
coldtea wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problems with this are more societal ones than technical or practical: It is impossible, for example, to install most popular apps for macOS without identifying yourself to Apple (and by extension the US government and military intelligence). For those kind of problems, I agree. But I think they should be solved in the political and legal level, not some technical fix. If you can't trust the government, if the…

> the government should be curbed by protests, voting, and so on. The apps not talking to the vendor is just a band-aid This is a big false dichotomy. It's difficult to find an aspect of modern society that is not influenced by a complex combination of social, ethical and legal norms plus science, technology, economy, education and so on.

>This is a big false dichotomy.

No, it's an actual distinction.

>It's difficult to find an aspect of modern society that is not influenced by a complex combination of social, ethical and legal norms plus science, technology, economy, education and so on.

And all of them are influenced by politics.

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