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2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by breakfastduck »

fxtentacle wrote: post #54
CapriciousCptl wrote: post #4

From the article's conclusion... "The M1 undisputedly outperforms the core performance of everything Intel has to offer, and battles it with AMD’s new Zen3, winning some, losing some. And in the mobile space in particular, there doesn’t seem to be an equivalent in either ST or MT performance – at least within the same power budgets." This is the first in-depth review validating all the hype. Assuming the user experie…

That conclusion is quite misleading, in my opinion. They write "outperforms the core performance" and the keyword here is "core". What they mean is that if one had a single-core Zen3 and a single-core M1, then the M1 would win some and lose some. But in the real world, most Zen3 CPUs will have 2x or more cores, thus they'll be 2x to 4x faster. So what they mean to say is that they praise Apple for having amazing per-…

Passively cooled first generation macbook air chip isn't quite as fast as an absolute monster grade PC Ryzen chip on its 3rd generation. Color me shocked.

I think you're just trying your hardest to convince yourself that these chips aren't competitive.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by OJFord »

jdlyga wrote: post #104
aero-glide wrote: post #90

I hope Apple allows us to install the OS of our choice. The battery life is impressive but I refuse to not use Linux.

I wouldn't pay for Apple hardware unless I wanted to use MacOS.

Why? The hardware's the nice bit.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by breakfastduck »

ginko wrote: post #117
stuff4ben wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point one wonders if Intel will just cede the desktop and enthusiast markets to AMD and/or Apple and just focus on server and high-end computing? As an IBMer this feels familiar for some reason...

What would keep AMD or Nvidia from eventually eating Intel's lunch in the server market as well?

Nothing, they'd just die a lot slower

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by matvore »

aero-glide wrote: post #105
matvore wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get why this idea of becoming iOS-like is uncomfortable for a lot of people, but will they take away the POSIX-ness of the OS? What about all the people that spend all their time in Vim, TMUX, Emacs, and/or zsh? I think these people will continue to be pretty happy on macOS if they already are. In my experience, installing alternate OS's on Mac hardware has never been frictionless or satisfying anyway.

>In my experience, installing alternate OS's on Mac hardware has never been frictionless or satisfying anyway. It would be if they take some effort to support it.

> It would be if they take some effort to support it.

Oh, definitely. But the Linux (or alternate OS) fans are not really on Apple's radar. OTOH, they do a good job of keeping some core binaries up-to-date, like zsh and Vim, and they did appeal about getting good compile times during the M1 release event, so they consider POSIX users part of their target market.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by breakfastduck »

GiorgioG wrote: post #38

I'm not buying into Apple's eventually-closed desktop computer systems - I don't care what the performance is. They've been slowly marching towards iOS's closed ecosystem model on the Mac and with an in-house CPU, they can effectively lock users out of alternate OS choices on their hardware. Buyer beware.

Going on internet comments they've been marching towards this for years. I've yet to see anything actually happen.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by qz2 »

rimliu wrote: post #127
davidhyde wrote: post #102

> "Whilst the software doesn’t offer the best the hardware can offer, with time, as developers migrate their applications to native Apple Silicon support, the ecosystem will flourish." I think that more developers would be excited about migrating their apps to support native apple silicon if Apple wasn't so developer hostile at the moment. I am referring to stuff like Apple's Online Certificate Status Protocol ( http…

You should quit HN for a day or two. The stuff echo-chamber of HN repeats often has very little to do with reality. Apple has many thousands of developers. It is not hostile to them in any way, shape or form. For some reason this cliche is most often repeated by the people who never wrote a single line of code for iOS or MacOS

Wrong. Apple's iOS/macOS development footprint is far far far smaller than the footprint of generic software development using macOS. I have seen a lot of developers shitting the bed this week over the state of macOS both in person and in various other places.

We already have a couple of people who have got so fucked off with macOS their macs are running Ubuntu 24/7 and they're buying Dell/Lenovo next time. Hell I sold my Apple kit earlier this year because I was completely fed up of dealing with broken shit all the time. It's just a horrible experience.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by rowanG077 »

jdlyga wrote: post #104
aero-glide wrote: post #90

I hope Apple allows us to install the OS of our choice. The battery life is impressive but I refuse to not use Linux.

I wouldn't pay for Apple hardware unless I wanted to use MacOS.

The hardware is the only good part unfortunately. I would have clicked buy faster then the flash could if the M1 could run Linux.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by mikey_p »

vel0city wrote: post #123
jmull wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Apple released the M1 as their low-end chip, putting it in the entry-level slot of their low-power Macs. They may have something with substantially more power in store soon.

The cheapest MacBook Air with an M1 chip is $1,000. The cheapest Mac Pro with an M1 chip is $1,300. I don't consider a $1,000+ laptop "entry level" or "low end". These are high-end machines.

You may not consider it such, but they are the entry level Apple machines at the lowest end of their product range.

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by tinodotim »

murukesh_s wrote: post #113
ghaff wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one data point that's particularly interesting to me. As someone who (normally) travels a great deal, I'd probably go with the Air unless there were real throttling compromises, especially given that I use a different computer for multimedia editing at home.

Wish they re-introduce the discontinued Macbook 12 inch with the same specs as air. It weighed only 970grams vs 1.29 kg for air. In fact air feels bulky compared to other light weight laptops like LG Gram, not to mention the design is outdated. Always wondered why Apple killed the smaller model. Perhaps they want to push the iPad pro so killed off the netbook line. The wannabe traveller inside me keep drooling at 12…

That would be a great device to also include a touchscreen in a mac for the first time... after all macOS is getting more and more touch-capable UI and got iOS app support. :)

But like you said, likely would eat into the iPad market - on the other side, as long as they don't make it a 2-in-1, the iPad should still have more than enough reason to exist.

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