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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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dastx wrote: post #126
crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

My experience has been that Github doesn't ever purge commits from the history. Even when you rewrite the history, all the dangling commits are still there and can be access. I've yet to find a way to force Github to do a gc so such commits are removed. Without Github running a GC on the repo, the commits will not be removed.

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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by umvi »

envy2 wrote: post #3

Excellent. Looks like they've removed the tests for RIAA member videos as the only change, which I assume helped get this restored: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/1fb034d029c8b7...

Is there a way to get equivalent tests on non RIAA videos?

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by R0b0t1 »

chongli wrote: post #13
gbl08ma wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't work like that since certain videos use obfuscation methods that random cat videos don't.

I was under the impression that those obfuscation methods were exclusive to certain YouTube partners, including the RIAA members. If youtube-dl stopped supporting that method, it would still be a useful tool for the bulk of its use cases and the RIAA would no longer have any leg to stand on since it'd no longer be able to download their members' videos.

Breaking copy protection is only illegal if you do not have a license to the work. Removing the protection breaking code isn't necessary, and everyone needs to stop pretending that it is.

This same clause of the DMCA is the suspected reason for py-kms's reinstatement after a takedown: it's perfectly legal to break the Windows license scheme if you already own a license to Windows.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by jonnydubowsky »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #92
katsura wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least some of us don't try to actively make it harder/worse. So that's a plus.

I'm convinced the companies considered as 'evil' now didn't think they would at first either. Something something unintended consequences. I mean Reddit; bastion of free speech or platform for hate speech? (they cracked down on that over the years) Dropbox; File synchronization and sharing platform or child porn exchange? Airbnb; Great way to find an affordable place to stay and / or rent out unused room, or platform…

These are good questions /examples, except Coinbase? I'm sure there's something else that could be applied, but doesn't seem it's a place to launder money. They were the first to supply IRS/Treasury Department with detailed records of every customer transaction.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by izietto »

crumbshot wrote: post #15
envy2 wrote: post #3

Excellent. Looks like they've removed the tests for RIAA member videos as the only change, which I assume helped get this restored: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/1fb034d029c8b7...

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

I guess that if they want to run those tests they can cherry-pick that commit, run the tests and then drop it

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by JosephRedfern »

jefftk wrote: post #70
bigbubba wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow, a few days ago I downloaded the tarball of the code and 'binary' (it's a Python script) from their website. Both seemed to be hosted there. https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.1...

It's hosted on gitlab.com: $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 302 Found Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:04:10 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\ /2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz Content-Length: 3 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \ https://youtu…

Weird. It's hosted by github.com when I run identical commands:

    (base) /tmp  curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    HTTP/1.1 302 Found
    Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:13 GMT
    Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS)
    Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    Content-Length: 3
    Connection: close
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

    (base) /tmp  curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    HTTP/1.1 302 Found
    Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:52:27 GMT
    Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS)
    Location: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/releases/download/2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    Content-Length: 3
    Connection: close
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by R0b0t1 »

josephcsible wrote: post #63
siddharthgoel88 wrote: post #35

But now I guess Github should be used as a read-only redundancy rather than for development.

Why? GitHub didn't do anything wrong. They took this down because they were required to by law. It would have been the same story with anyone else.

Breaking copy protection is only illegal if you do not have a license to the work. Removing the protection breaking code isn't necessary, and everyone needs to stop pretending that it is.

This same clause of the DMCA is the suspected reason for py-kms's reinstatement after a takedown: it's perfectly legal to break the Windows license scheme if you already own a license to Windows.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by scaramanga »

Torkel wrote: post #18

The amount of publicity this generated for youtube-dl is astounding... I would love for this to be a ”the plan to get rid of youtube-dl backfired badly for RIAA” ending. But I guess RIAA is reviled enough already so nothing they do really matters. So I suppose the hope is that some political will to change the laws around this arises from it.

I don't think it's about whether they're reviled enough yet, but rather whether the actions they're taking are likely to engender effective activism and organised political opposition to their agenda.

In this case, it looks like they've discovered that the community isn't asleep at the wheel and that this isn't the hill they want to die on.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by _jal »

bigbubba wrote: post #75
blueline wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah unlike us hackers who are saving the world with targeted ads and food delivery

Technology has had an impact on nearly any industry you can think of. As such, there is no shortage of tech work outside of ad tech. Ten years ago I worked on ad tech shit for Amazon, but I quit when I realized that made me a parasite. I don't work in food delivery, but I'd say getting a pizza from point A to B is a hell of a lot more productive than being a lawyer for the RIAA.

Appified pizza delivery is rent seeking.

There is zero need for a multinational between hungry people and food delivery. Inserting them raises costs, lowers service quality, and lowers revenue to restaurants.

Off topic, but I would like to note this thread's congruence to Snow Crash:

  There's only four things we do better than anyone else:
  music
  movies
  microcode (software)
  high-speed pizza delivery
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