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We’ve been hearing that for years, yet it hasn’t happened. Apple seems to recognize the value of the Mac as an general computing platform.
They’ll never do it. They just keep making stuff not private so you have to choose between security versus privacy. A well thought system would be able to provide both.
Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
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Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#142i feel this is irrelevant. apple offers app analytics to developers. which means app usage data is going to apple anyway. https://developer.apple.com/app-store-connect/analytics/
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Most "alarmist" articles have two points you cannot really ignore, not if you don't want to end up living in interesting times one day. 1) Even plain access logs — basically what a HTTP request, or a TCP connection can tell you — is a lot . Gather those for a couple of days, and you have a good map of the user. More so if you have an ID of machine and the actual executable hash. 2) "But we are the good guys" is a non…
@2) + good guys can be hacked.
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#144By default, Android logs every app you use. You have to disable - bafflingly - features including saving locations in Google Maps and fully-functional voice recognition to (supposedly) disable that behavior. What I'm saying is: don't look so surprised.
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#145It wasn’t a misunderstanding, it was a simplification so that people could understand the issue without me explaining OCSP and app signing and x509 and the PKI. Dozens of people wrote me to thank me for explaining it in a way that they could understand.
It is indeed a hash, and it does indeed uniquely identify most apps, and it is indeed sent in plaintext, when you launch the app (and is cached for a half day IIRC). I very deliberately didn’t claim it is a hash of the content of the app file.
It also doesn’t send a unique identifier, but I would be willing to wager that the set of apps that you launch in 48h is probably enough to uniquely identify your machine in the vast majority of cases.
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We’ve been hearing that for years, yet it hasn’t happened. Apple seems to recognize the value of the Mac as an general computing platform.
Notarization was IMO the first big step towards this. To this day I have not heard anyone, neither devs nor users, wanting this feature. And to devs it has only costed misery and money.
As for developers... I mean, how much of a big deal is it, really? I looked at the documentation and it didn't seem like a huge hassle. It even looks like it is automatable in your CI/CD processes via `altool` and `stapler`.
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#148There will be a day when all apps on a mac will only be installable from the app store. Developers will be forced to buy macs and subscribe to Apple’s developer program to support it. Customers will be trained to not care. And HN Apple fanboys and fangirls will try to justify why this is a Good Thing(TM).
Re: Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look
#149While other posts on this topic are too alarmist, this one is way too Apple apologetic for my taste. * There is no information on how often the validation happens. All this investigation concludes is that it doesn't happen when closing and immediately re-opening an app. Is it every week? Every reboot? Every hour? If it's less, that's essentially the same as doing it on every launch. * There is no justification for se…
Most "alarmist" articles have two points you cannot really ignore, not if you don't want to end up living in interesting times one day. 1) Even plain access logs — basically what a HTTP request, or a TCP connection can tell you — is a lot . Gather those for a couple of days, and you have a good map of the user. More so if you have an ID of machine and the actual executable hash. 2) "But we are the good guys" is a non…
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Seems to work fine here, nothing bypasses my VPN nor does it bypass my firewall. Perhaps that's because my VPN and my firewall aren't running inside the computer but external to it, as it should.
The direction we are going is built in cell comms for all devices, good luck firewalling that.