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Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by stewx »

JacobSuperslav wrote: post #9

I know this kind of thing might not be very popular on HN, but I like their anti-meritocracy statement: https://funkwhale.audio/en_US/code-of-conduct

> The field of software development embraces technical change, and is made better by also accepting social change.

Really? All social change is good for the field of software development? Utter nonsense. This product itself is, if anything, a rejection of the social change towards centralized ad-supported streaming services.

> We understand that working in our field is a privilege, not a right.

I don't have a right to work as a software developer? Last I checked, I lived in a free country where I can do what I want. This is some authoritarian language, implying that people should be ejected from the industry if they don't play according to one person's set of rules.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by tchaffee »

pessimizer wrote: post #106
tchaffee wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am only sharing with my family, then fine. But it looks like this software allows you to create a pod and share with whoever you invite. Which my purchase doesn't cover, right?

Did your purchase cover your family? Why should your spouse and children be allowed to listen to music licensed to you?

My goal is that musicians get fairly paid for their work as opposed to making sure I am following every subtle licensing technicality in my own home, which is only an exercise in pedantry and accomplishes nothing practical for musicians.

I don't talk with the attorneys who create these complex licensing rules at Amazon, iTunes, etc. I talk to musicians. None of whom have ever had a problem with listening to their music with a small group of friends or family. The problem is with a platform that allows me to fire up a server and then invite thousands or millions of people to listen to someone's music for free.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by rmellow »

ubercow13 wrote: post #126
haolez wrote: post #117

If I were to self host this on a big cloud provider, I'd be worried about the outbound bandwidth costs.

So don't host it on a cloud provider. You can host it from home, or somewhere else. For example I rent a cheap dedicated server with a 1TB hard drive and unmetered 1Gb bandwidth, for £8 a month, which would work great for something like this and there is no chance of unexpected costs.

I'm looking for something similar (large storage, low bandwidth, hopefully with a VPS). Can you point me to the provider?

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by _jal »

tchaffee wrote: post #116
_jal wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be sure you soundproof your home/apartment, and don't turn it up too much in the car. Don't want to accidentally leak any copyrighted joy to your neighbors without payment!

Seems like you are being sarcastic, but yes, if you play loud enough and to a big enough audience you do indeed owe royalties. In fact bars and restaurants are required to pay for this exact reason.

I am aware of ASCAP and the RIAA's (and friends) claims; I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them.

You are free to do whatever you like with your free time, of course.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by ubercow13 »

rmellow wrote: post #143
ubercow13 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So don't host it on a cloud provider. You can host it from home, or somewhere else. For example I rent a cheap dedicated server with a 1TB hard drive and unmetered 1Gb bandwidth, for £8 a month, which would work great for something like this and there is no chance of unexpected costs.

I'm looking for something similar (large storage, low bandwidth, hopefully with a VPS). Can you point me to the provider?

Mine was from OneProvider. I think they're resold Online.net servers.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by tchaffee »

_jal wrote: post #144
tchaffee wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you are being sarcastic, but yes, if you play loud enough and to a big enough audience you do indeed owe royalties. In fact bars and restaurants are required to pay for this exact reason.

I am aware of ASCAP and the RIAA's (and friends) claims; I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. You are free to do whatever you like with your free time, of course.

> I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them.

It seems like you are implying I am. When all I'm trying to do is make sure musicians get fairly paid for their work. So yeah, I'm not super concerned about playing music loud in my car as you sarcastically suggested I should be.

I am concerned about joining a music platform where something I purchased can be shared for free to millions of people with the musician getting nothing.

If there is a service that pays musicians directly and cuts out ASCAP and RIAA, then even better.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by IndySun »

StavrosK wrote: post #131
IndySun wrote: post #123

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And where did the car come from? The deal is, work is rewarded, not stealing work, or did I miss a meeting?

It congealed from an amorphous mass of nutrients in the bowels of the earth. What does it matter where it came from? Stealing deprives the owner of their good, copyright infringement does not, therefore they are not equal.

Sure. Your remarks only prove my point. But I am a realist. And I wouldn't keep focusing on music. It's an easy target. Audio happens to be my thing but I'm concerned at the cavalier attitude and on a broader level.

Let's for one minute, expand the remit. It's not funkwhale, it's carwhale, foodwhale, healthwhale. Keep going. Keep thinking.

If all we're doing is not creating anew, but instead forging special keys that give you access to anything anyone that made the considerable effort to creative something new - then we treadwater, as a human race. And I see exactly this in so many aspects of human life already.

Not creating, not moving forward, not innovating, and only taking (in this case) other people's music AND then, here, loudly having the arrogance to declare that all music (or cars, or health, or food) should be free to buy once and you get the right to give it away.

Don't complain, like I have often read on these pages, how modern music (and cars, and food, and apps, and laptops) all look and sound the same when we have merrily sucked dry the very chances of anything new making its first steps.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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Post by StavrosK »

IndySun wrote: post #148
StavrosK wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It congealed from an amorphous mass of nutrients in the bowels of the earth. What does it matter where it came from? Stealing deprives the owner of their good, copyright infringement does not, therefore they are not equal.

Sure. Your remarks only prove my point. But I am a realist. And I wouldn't keep focusing on music. It's an easy target. Audio happens to be my thing but I'm concerned at the cavalier attitude and on a broader level. Let's for one minute, expand the remit. It's not funkwhale, it's carwhale, foodwhale, healthwhale. Keep going. Keep thinking. If all we're doing is not creating anew, but instead forging special keys that…

You insist on reading my argument of "it's not the same as theft" to "therefore it's fine". I didn't say whether it's better or worse than theft. I just said it's not the same, in the same way that murder or jaywalking is not the same as theft.
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