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Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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> Nobody ever looks at a person driving a ferrari and thinks, "wow, they must have washed a lot of dishes to afford that car," and yet we still think "if I just wash these dishes hard enough I'll drive a ferrari one day." I'm saving this quote to tell people this later on.

the twist is to make others wash dishes obviously

dish-washing is a cost-center, not a profit-center, so really the solution is to cut costs by washing dishes as little as possible :)

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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I would love to work for a company where I can take a significant pay cut to work 30 or even 35 hours in a typical work week.

I've heard (from reliable sources) that Google has the option to work 60% or 80% time (with a corresponding cut to pay). Presumably you need a record of solid performance and your manager needs to be on board.

It's very hard to get, even for solid performers. Possible but not available to most employees.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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I just want a no-pay sabbatical. Three months, total reset of energy levels. We should all have that option. I would take a lot less money (-$50k or more) if I got to take a quarter off every year. Four day work weeks would be another compelling alternative. Two days a week are not enough time to get chores done. There's no time for relaxing. If I ever create a company, I'd love to offer these options.

When I switched jobs a few years back, I intentionally took a 6 week break between roles. My new manager wanted me to start right away, but I pushed back and said "no". This was after working a job that had me doing 60-80 hr weeks for months on end. I set it up so I had zero obligations at the start - no vacations planned, no "to do" lists. I would get up in the morning and ask myself "what do I need to get done toda…

I like this. Definitely will aim for this between now and my next job.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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the twist is to make others wash dishes obviously

dish-washing is a cost-center, not a profit-center, so really the solution is to cut costs by washing dishes as little as possible :)

Sign up for my dishes-as-a-service subscription NetDish. Get clean dishes until you stop paying.

Also check out my dishwasher-sharing service Dishdash.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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My wife works about 25-30 hours per week. However, she spends most of that on her hobby (more than I spend on the mortgage). She doesn't contribute to any bills other than her gas and tires. I pay all the bills, benefits, utilities. I do all the shopping, cooking, baking, mechanic work, handyman work, projects, legal research (a case she got us involved in because she won't listen to me), medical research (our son ha…

What exactly does she bring to the table for your relationship? Look at your life through that lens. If she left, what would you really lose?

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Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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In my experience, most of burnout is being held responsible for things you don't have control over. That may not be true for everyone, but it's been consistently true for me. As a result, the "work more efficiently" comments from management/etc are just incredibly unhelpful. Most of the discussion so far seems to center on "work more efficiently", not "find a way to be supported". The latter is usually the only thing…

That would hold true for one of the most extreme periods of stress/burn-out I've had in my past. A project with technical demands set by a non-technical person who had no interest in budging. I thoroughly detested that project (and that person)!

In comparison, I've had periods of greater workload but where I've had full control, and enjoyed the challenge.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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> If I'm tired, it's necessarily because I'm mismanaging my work and time Is it though? What if you are (always) on call? What if you get a message from your boss late evening asking for stuff for early morning? What if you have late night meetings or very early morning meetings (and what if both are present)? What if coworkers from other timezones are messaging you outside work hours (if you even have defined work h…

True. That's a case where 'change your organization or change your organization' applies. Like it or not, that decision is more in your own hands than in those of the external mismanagers.

This is a good point.

I’m trying to learn to push back more forcefully against unreasonable behavior by coworkers.

It can be very socially stressful to stand up against powerful folks in the organization. But if they aren’t called out, it will just continue.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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the twist is to make others wash dishes obviously

dish-washing is a cost-center, not a profit-center, so really the solution is to cut costs by washing dishes as little as possible :)

Sodexo washes your dishes (etc) and has a $10.6B market cap.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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Clicked for me recently that working hard is like driving in first gear. Necessary initially, but if you don't shift up into higher gears, you're probably not doing it right, and not getting as far as fast as you probably should. If I'm tired, it's necessarily because I'm mismanaging my work and time, and that's a signal it's time to step back and figure out what's wrong. Some people are really good at that initial t…

> If I'm tired, it's necessarily because I'm mismanaging my work and time Is it though? What if you are (always) on call? What if you get a message from your boss late evening asking for stuff for early morning? What if you have late night meetings or very early morning meetings (and what if both are present)? What if coworkers from other timezones are messaging you outside work hours (if you even have defined work h…

I'd recommend learning to set personal boundaries because every regret will come from the times you didn't keep them, imo.

Re: Burnout can exacerbate work stress, further promoting a vicious circle

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dish-washing is a cost-center, not a profit-center, so really the solution is to cut costs by washing dishes as little as possible :)

Sign up for my dishes-as-a-service subscription NetDish. Get clean dishes until you stop paying. Also check out my dishwasher-sharing service Dishdash.

We (royal/canandian we) have skipthedishes.com, who have already solved this problem, and were acquired for $110m. :)

It's the difference between "hmm, washing dishes is hard, I will do it better until someone notices and rewards me," and "average person buys less than one dishwasher in their entire lives...but they have to eat every single day...they could skip the dishes altogether!"

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