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EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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#141
This is the reminder to call your MEP and tell them what a bad idea this is!

The few times I've called, they do have people who pick up the phone and listen to you. It's actually quite cool.

Have your story ready, and remember to be polite. (If only because a lot of MEPs really do deserve our respect.)

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/home

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post #129

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Yeah: run for office, win, and then effect policy change. But almost no one's willing to actually do that. They just want easy outs like "contacting your MP" or "donating to an org that says they'll try to fix it".

I mean, I organize petitions, write op-eds (incl. in major national papers), contribute to OSS, have back-and-forths with major decision makers in public, etc. ... But I don't seem to reach through. I'd be willing to do volunteer work or start an organization, but can't really run for office as I have another career. Besides: I don't know what party would have me, because it seems to me that the politicians don't und…

They don't work for public good. You would have to convince them how encryption could make their businesses more money than the ban.

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post #20

So to which EU politician do I send GDPR complaint to? The EU politicians have completely isolated themselves from the common folk through their bureaucratical system.

In that regard, is any large organisation different? I tried to convince the UK government this was a terrible idea when the Investigatory Powers Act was going through. I failed to make any difference at all to any part of it, but I did learn about Select Committees while trying to find out which MP I had to try to convince given my local MP was a powerless newbie.

With the UK, I've found (as a foreigner with voting rights previously) that it's best to build your relationship with a seniorish MP, and if that doesn't work, cough up to donate around 8-10k to the parties every year (for much more senior access). You'll pop a few eyeballs in Labour with such a donation, while the Conservatives have their own special interest groups for donors (although these usually end up as mass grilling sessions for the MPs).

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#145

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I don't think he's talking about the guy who mugs him. More like about the guy who mows down a crowd with an automatic weapon, the guy who drives a truck through the center of a Christmas market or the guy who blows up a metro station. That kind of people.

So stop letting "that kind of people" into your country rather than take away everyone else's rights.

Well, half of the EU has already backed itself into a corner.

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post #130

How is this going to be enforced? The easy thing to do is to ban chat apps offering encryption. But the consequences are much greater. For example, do they need to ban Tor or I2P as well, even SSH? Unencrypted applications will gain encryption and sometimes even anonymization if encapsulated within these. What about abusing legal services using encryption for chat like purposes? All they need to do is to offer collab…

In the same way they are stopped now: infiltration, investigation, and waiting for them to make a mistake

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#147

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The EU ministers do want us to have a right to encryption. They just want to be able to decrypt it.

That is not encrypted then.

Should we say that no building is really locked, since the fire department is alway able to force entry?

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#148

What can someone like me do to help? Someone who know little about politics or policy, who k ow little about encryption, but who is concerned about the development? I live in the EU but I am not even sure who my representatives are to whom I could raise my concern. Where in the EU is this being worked on?

You can look up who won in the last EU election in your country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_European_Parlia...

Just drop them a letter or call their office (both works fine).

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#149

The EU is slowly starting to show their true face. We probably have left at the last minute. I personally think this is an attempted assault on human rights and such ideas should be nipped in a bud and people proposing that banned from any office. My blood boils.

I note that here I am in the UK, and the current home secretary appears to be Priti Patel. Who is far more hardline on this than the EU, and not in the good direction. If we left at the last minute, it's so that we can go faster. One of the things we are deliberately jettisoning is the protections afforded us by being in the EU.

> the current home secretary appears to be Priti Patel.

Ah, Priti Patel, the minister that was forced to resign by the May government for having had several secret meetings with Israeli officials during her tenure. Enjoy the UK!

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#150
post #35

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Do you have any sources on this? I’m interested.

I am from Slovakia and yes - this idiot actually went to our capital city (near border) to a gun shop and tried to buy ammunition for his AK-47. Of course you can't buy anything if you are not a citizen and you don't have a gun permit. So he didn't buy anything, the seller contacted the police and they did a background check and found out that he was sentenced for radicalism, he tried to go to Syria to fight a war an…

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