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Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by kayodelycaon »

cobolcowboy wrote: post #132

To the people in this thread advocating antipsychotic medication for anything other than treating psychosis and as an adjunct for severe depression, don't. These medications are serious things for serious situations and can have unexpected effects on you mentally. I went on them in my early twenties due to a nervous breakdown, and while they stopped the endless loops of thought and insomnia (I ended up sleeping ten h…

Agree with this. I’m on antipsychotic medication due to psychosis and insomnia. Works great but there are a lot of side effects, which I take additional medication to correct.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by cobolcowboy »

costcopizza wrote: post #140
cobolcowboy wrote: post #132

To the people in this thread advocating antipsychotic medication for anything other than treating psychosis and as an adjunct for severe depression, don't. These medications are serious things for serious situations and can have unexpected effects on you mentally. I went on them in my early twenties due to a nervous breakdown, and while they stopped the endless loops of thought and insomnia (I ended up sleeping ten h…

What helped you in your 3-4 year recovery?

Honestly, learning to program. I was listless when I got into university, and couldn't cope with the fact I wasn't the smartest person I knew anymore. That hit me a lot harder than I expected, and cascaded into a complete loss of confidence.

Learning a skill from the ground up I couldn't bullshit from random esoterica I'd picked up from high school forced me to confront my lifelong hubris and put aside my ego. Eventually I got decent enough at it that it became my career. It was a slow, grinding, painful process, but it taught me a lot about humility and the value of incremental progress.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by downrightmike »

domano wrote: post #98
bxtt wrote: post #44

I’ve been taking Zolpidem for about 13 years now and suffer from addiction. I’ve sought treatment for this but it doesn’t work as now I cannot sleep without taking something. If you haven’t taken Z-type sleeping aids, I would definitely suggest not to start, as from experience the consequences outweigh the benefits. I’ve lost a considerable amount of friends/reputation/etc. from the abuse. Every experience that you h…

I got a subscription for 1 package when I had major sleep issues as a young adult and i immediately wanted more. Best 2 weeks of sleep i ever had. Luckily the doctor did not allow another subscription

When you immediately want more of something is a REALLY good sign to walk away.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by stordoff »

bxtt wrote: post #44

I’ve been taking Zolpidem for about 13 years now and suffer from addiction. I’ve sought treatment for this but it doesn’t work as now I cannot sleep without taking something. If you haven’t taken Z-type sleeping aids, I would definitely suggest not to start, as from experience the consequences outweigh the benefits. I’ve lost a considerable amount of friends/reputation/etc. from the abuse. Every experience that you h…

I've had some weird side effects from Zopiclone. They're effective, even when benzodiazepines haven't been, but the side-effects are concerning. On multiple occasions, I've woken up and the room appears to bathed in a yellow light (even though no lights were on and it was still dark outside), and on a few occasions I've been looking at the time on my phone, blinked, and it's suddenly four hours later. I've no idea whether I just fell back asleep and checked the time again, four hours passed and I did _something_, or it just made me misremember the first time. They're not drugs I would use lightly.

Benzodiazepines on the other hand I've had no issues with (no desire/need to increase the dose, no withdrawal even when I've been taking them for prolonged periods, no side effects), but I don't find them as effective. I have seen the destructive effects they can have though - a family member had to taper off them over six months, and at the end she was cutting the smallest dose tablets into quarters as she still couldn't quite get off them.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by xwdv »

nitrogen wrote: post #54
chairmanwow1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are off base here. OP’s comment isn’t malicious.

Indeed, to me the comment in question sounds like a subjective description of what the hyporesponsive might be feeling as their lucidity or initiative are taken away after a brief window of activity.

As the author of the original comment, I feel this is the most accurate comprehension. Other comments seem to have taken a more literal read, but that would be incorrect, as clearly the patients are neither dead nor snakes.

I would debate that slither isn’t a negative connotation when used in reference to senses, for instance: electrical impulses slither through the synapses of the human nervous system, allowing us to perceive a reality.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by driverdan »

nineparts wrote: post #61
nitrogen wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never take Ambien myself after someone I know was prescribed it, and instead of sleeping they would black out, blast techno/dance music in their apartment, and scream at the top of their lungs while stomping up and down ("dancing"). Then post about it on social media. All without remembering it, or with only hazy memories.

Sounds like it's a gateway drug to demon possession (or at least descriptions of it -- in case of an atheist reading).

> Sounds like it's a gateway drug to demon possession

Are you seriously suggesting that demonic possession is real and that a drug could lead to it?

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by argella »

cobolcowboy wrote: post #132

To the people in this thread advocating antipsychotic medication for anything other than treating psychosis and as an adjunct for severe depression, don't. These medications are serious things for serious situations and can have unexpected effects on you mentally. I went on them in my early twenties due to a nervous breakdown, and while they stopped the endless loops of thought and insomnia (I ended up sleeping ten h…

Fear of losing natural sharpness has had me avoiding antidepressants, which I should probably be on. Just too much fear about losing edge for math/programming.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by jaijaihanuman »

cobolcowboy wrote: post #132

To the people in this thread advocating antipsychotic medication for anything other than treating psychosis and as an adjunct for severe depression, don't. These medications are serious things for serious situations and can have unexpected effects on you mentally. I went on them in my early twenties due to a nervous breakdown, and while they stopped the endless loops of thought and insomnia (I ended up sleeping ten h…

As said elsewhere in the thread, there are nuances even in pharmacology. Your situation sounds terrible, and I am very sorry you had to live through that. However, some anti-psychotics lack anti-psychotic properties in very low doses and are safe. But yes, as a general rule neither anti-psychotics nor z-drugs/bzo-drugs should be used for long-lasting sleep disorders.

Re: Severe brain injury and paralysis temporarily reversed with a sleeping pill

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Post by milankragujevic »

cobolcowboy wrote: post #132

To the people in this thread advocating antipsychotic medication for anything other than treating psychosis and as an adjunct for severe depression, don't. These medications are serious things for serious situations and can have unexpected effects on you mentally. I went on them in my early twenties due to a nervous breakdown, and while they stopped the endless loops of thought and insomnia (I ended up sleeping ten h…

Sadly, in a lot of places, antipsychotics from the 50s (i.e. Chlorpromazine) are the FIRST kind of therapy given, even to adolescent patients with "generic" depression, alongside SSRIs.

No consent given or asked for, let alone informed consent. You are told "take this".

This is not in circumstances of hospitalization, let alone involuntary hospitalization, but regular outpatient treatment.

People who are in a bad place generally don't research meds, and if they are not extremely uncooperative, or paranoid, will take them and the doctors' words at face value.

Consequences are severe and long-lasting.

Absolutely shameful and despicable. These doctors should be shamed by the scientific community for [almost] using prehistoric notions of "hysteria" to mistreat ilness by basically showing "see, he's not crying anymore! PROGRESS!" while pointing to a barely awake, sedated patient.

Any and all progress is usually SSRIs and psychotherapy, if available. Why do they give these antiquated meds that are not appropriate for the situation (i.e. CPZ) is beyond me. These are not psychoses, this is Episodium depressivum, gradus moderati .

Sorry, had to get that out. This is from personal experience.

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Post by intricatedetail »

cobolcowboy wrote: post #132

To the people in this thread advocating antipsychotic medication for anything other than treating psychosis and as an adjunct for severe depression, don't. These medications are serious things for serious situations and can have unexpected effects on you mentally. I went on them in my early twenties due to a nervous breakdown, and while they stopped the endless loops of thought and insomnia (I ended up sleeping ten h…

Here where I live doctors prescribe anti-depressants like candies. They robbed me of two years of my life. The worst for me was derealisation and strong hallucinations. I started strongly believing that life isn't real, that what I am seeing is just a dream or that other humans are just objects that happen to move and speak. Hallucinations were crazy scary, like I saw things as if atoms of objects got magnified hundreds of times or everything was constructed of polygons (like you would switch wire frame rendering). Absolutely crazy thoughts like I was convinced that if I cut myself with a knife it will give me pleasure like scratching an itch. I had a couple of suicidal episodes and ended up in hospital. Somehow nobody connected that this could be anti depressants. I then stopped them on my own and few weeks later started CBT therapy. That fortunately was the most I needed to "repair" my thought processes. I am okay, but I sometimes have the flashbacks of what happened. It's just a reminder to stay away from these things. I understand this may help other people but it didn't help me. When I talked about hallucinations with the doctor he just prescribed a different one. Every 4-6 months I had a different one.
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