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Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

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Re: Governments Worldwide Consider Ditching Daylight Saving Time

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Post by ghaff »

mamon wrote: post #71
ReptileMan wrote: post #42

In the article is missing how many percentages of people are bothered. Since the benefits for the rest are quite big. Since 8 hour jet lag requires only a night worst case two of sleep to adapt, why is this 1 hour such a big deal.

It matters in which direction you go. Going west, you'll be sleepy very early in the evening, but then no one is really stoping you from going to bed at 7 PM and staying in it for twelve hours straight until 7AM (you probably will wake up around 2-3 AM, but there's nothing else to do at that time, so you'll probably stay in bed just out of boredom). As the result you adapt pretty quickly. Going east is much harder: y…

The other problem with west to east is that it can be hard to avoid redeyes. I do all I can to. When I was younger I used to hate "losing a day to travel." Now I'm pretty much F that, especially if it's company time. But sometimes, like flying even east coast to continental Europe it's hard to avoid.

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Post by ck2 »

Every year in my adult life that I can remember, a week before DST start/end, endless articles on ending it.

Four decades now.

There is science and then there is political will. We have the first but none of the latter. People resist change no matter how terrible the previous situation is (like the american health insurance system).

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Post by wlll »

hunter2_ wrote: post #99
projektfu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve discovered that here on the western edge we simply arise later and work later. It’s not uncommon for people in New England to be awake at 5:30 am and starting their day.

By that logic, we could all just use UTC and set our own schedules with infinite granularity based on sunrise/sunset. I'm good with that.

That's pretty much what I do. I've worked remotely as a contractor (from the UK for mostly US companies) and I've rarely set an alarm for work in over 10 years. DST changes just slip past.

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Post by varispeed »

dahart wrote: post #58
varispeed wrote: post #5

I don't know how someone ever could think this is a good idea and also got so many governments to implement this. Whoever is behind it, he or she is a genius of evil. Let's ditch this nonsense now.

> I don’t know how someone ever could think this is a good idea Why is that? Whether or not it’s still a good idea, lots of people have thought so in the past. You don’t see the fact that governments have implemented it as evidence that there has been consensus and something legitimate there you might have missed? I honestly don’t care if daylight saving is abolished, but when I was younger, I used to think like you…

Majority of time that humanity existed that wasn't a problem. Maybe this was influenced by industrialisation and 9-5 culture. It would be great if we also left behind these rigid rules when people should work (certainly the new work from home adoption could help with that). I'd rather go to sleep earlier so that the 4am feels like 5am instead of force almost entire world to change their clocks.

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Post by lou1306 »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #127
jt2190 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Java seems to have its own TZDB so in general your OS and application layer might disagree about zones. More precisely, the Java Virtual Machine ( not the programming language) will, like any operating system running inside a VM, need to be patched with the new time information. Updating the host machine’s time info is not enough.

Why does JVM need to know about time zones?

I guess it allows you to implement a JVM that runs on bare metal, or a host without timezone support.

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Post by varispeed »

user5994461 wrote: post #11
varispeed wrote: post #5

I don't know how someone ever could think this is a good idea and also got so many governments to implement this. Whoever is behind it, he or she is a genius of evil. Let's ditch this nonsense now.

This was done to save electricity. More direct sun, less light and heating. Historically in France the saving was equivalent to the whole consumption of the city of Paris over the day (maybe 10-20% of the whole country). It seems people don't care about energy anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What's the problem to go an hour earlier to work during the summer? It's not like working hours are regulated by law.

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Post by input_sh »

ianai wrote: post #129
input_sh wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU voted to end it in 2019 (pretty decisively, 410 in favour and 192 against), and 2021 was supposed to be the final year. Unfortunately, it was postponed once again because of the pandemic. The implementation plan is for every country to choose which timezone to stay in (summer or winter), and I guess now is not the time for nations to figure out between themselves which timezone to stay in.

It’s not democracy if it can be postponed.

The fuck?

No agreement gets implemented in a day and I find it perfectly reasonable for priorities to switch in an emergency (like a global pandemic).

I despise DST as much as 80% of the EU citizens who said it should be abolished in a survey in 2018, but I'd much rather have my legislators focus on the pandemic at the moment.

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Post by rvr_ »

Here in Brazil we had DST until last year. DST here was called "Summer Time" and it was a complete cargo cult copy of what is done on the north hemisphere. The whole situation was so complicated that only half of the states on the same timezone (we have 4 TZs) had DST because of their distance from the equator line.

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Post by odiroot »

mrfusion wrote: post #50

I think permanent DST makes more sense. The best hours of the day are in the evening. Folks are off from work, kids are home, the heat of the day is gone. It’s a great time to get out to a park or a stroll.

> the heat of the day is gone

Or it's actually warm enough to go out and enjoy ourselves, for us folks in the northern part of Europe for like half a year.

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Post by macksd »

mam2 wrote: post #13

This is so not a thing to me. I never ever realise we chabged until someone tells me and im like "oh ok". People who complain about it are a bit "Snowflake Inc." to me.. sorry.

There's objective data that more people die after the change. What's the argument for keeping it, since it's actually more work to maintain?
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