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Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by amelius »

saagarjha wrote: post #130
dusted wrote: post #117

This is the most I've ever gotten out of pinterest, other than this, it's just the "wrong site that google turns up, that I can't use because it wants me to create an account just to watch the image I searched for"

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

So if Monsanto/Bayer had a post about their bio informatics stack, you'd expect nobody to complain about the company and its business practices?

Sometimes the negative impact of a company is just more interesting to people than what the article brings to the table.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by saagarjha »

amelius wrote: post #141
saagarjha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

So if Monsanto/Bayer had a post about their bio informatics stack, you'd expect nobody to complain about the company and its business practices? Sometimes the negative impact of a company is just more interesting to people than what the article brings to the table.

I wouldn't expect it, because I have been here long enough to know that that is just not going to happen, but I would very much like it to be so, yes. Rehashing the same topic whenever you see something tangentially related is just a lazy karma grab, not an attempt at creating interesting, insightful conversation.

Look, I get it, sometimes you want to rant about a company that you think is doing something you don't like: my point is that we have specific threads for them where such a comment could at least be on-topic. When you come to an article that about Pinterest doing some git thing to make their builds faster and your comment is "they're ruining my search!" you're commenting at the level of someone who hasn't read the blog post.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

amelius wrote: post #141
saagarjha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

So if Monsanto/Bayer had a post about their bio informatics stack, you'd expect nobody to complain about the company and its business practices? Sometimes the negative impact of a company is just more interesting to people than what the article brings to the table.

The point is it’s not directly relevant to the article, and on top of that GP’s particular complaint was especially generic. In this case Pinterests negative impact is not that interesting and it’s constantly discussed too.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by alkonaut »

saagarjha wrote: post #130
dusted wrote: post #117

This is the most I've ever gotten out of pinterest, other than this, it's just the "wrong site that google turns up, that I can't use because it wants me to create an account just to watch the image I searched for"

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

Sorry no. If an article is paywalled, on Pinterest, or similar, then please let's discuss the source instead, even if it ruins the discussion, so people learn not to post such links.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by saagarjha »

nabaraz wrote: post #138
saagarjha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

HN has always been very predictive. Praise Microsoft for turning the corner, Dislike Google for ads and snooping, Praise Apple for privacy, Dislike Zoom for privacy, Dislike Pinterest for middlewaring Google Image, and so on.

I'm not even complaining about Hacker News being predictive, we all know that likes to have certain conversations and there is no stopping that. My only request is that this doesn't happen in every single thread regardless of whether it is relevant or not. (To be clear, I am "guilty" of the former myself; there are a handful of topics that I have a particular opinion about and I don't hesitate to share them even if I have mentioned them many times before. I just try to not bring them up in places where they clearly have no connection to what's being talked about.)

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by inopinatus »

amelius wrote: post #141
saagarjha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

So if Monsanto/Bayer had a post about their bio informatics stack, you'd expect nobody to complain about the company and its business practices? Sometimes the negative impact of a company is just more interesting to people than what the article brings to the table.

It’s not surprising when certain firms evoke a strong personal feeling, but it’d be terribly exhausting if every article about, say, React, attracted the annotation that Facebook is the Philip Morris of media. The subsequent discussion then tends toward the divisive and derisive rather than the illuminating and informative. Hard to tell anyone they should suppress what they feel, but overall I’d tip the balance towards “fewer like this please.”

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

#147

Post by dusted »

saagarjha wrote: post #130
dusted wrote: post #117

This is the most I've ever gotten out of pinterest, other than this, it's just the "wrong site that google turns up, that I can't use because it wants me to create an account just to watch the image I searched for"

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

I guess you're right. I've not noticed this being a topic before, and I should have spent more words telling that the article in question is actually quite interesting, it definitely made me consider our own Jenkins setup.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by saagarjha »

alkonaut wrote: post #144
saagarjha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

Sorry no. If an article is paywalled, on Pinterest, or similar, then please let's discuss the source instead, even if it ruins the discussion, so people learn not to post such links.

Paywall complaints are explicitly off-topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989. I am not a moderator, but I think I've made it clear that I personally consider comments like the one I responded to be as well.

FWIW, in the all years I have been on this site, I have seen this happen regularly and I have yet to see any reduction in such links or these kinds of discussions. Seeing as you've been here longer, I'd be curious to hear about why you might feel differently.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by saagarjha »

dusted wrote: post #147
saagarjha wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we not do the thing where we pick an organization from an article and then bring up the most generic complaint you can about it in a way that is entirely irrelevant to the post? We get it, you don't like Pinterest showing up in search results, nobody does. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than it being pattern matching on the word "Pinterest", which is about the least informative comme…

I guess you're right. I've not noticed this being a topic before, and I should have spent more words telling that the article in question is actually quite interesting, it definitely made me consider our own Jenkins setup.

Thanks :) I don't want to make it seem like I'm after you in particular, it's just that you were the top comment in this thread and it's that time of night when I should logged off and gone to bed is long past, so my patience for this was just a little thinner than it usually is. It's just that enough people have done this that I figured I might as well steal the second-to-top comment spot with this in the hopes that they might see it and not do it anymore.

Re: A one-line change decreased our build times by 99%

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Post by conradludgate »

jeromenerf wrote: post #122
projektfu wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to know how they came to realize what was missing. Did they read the Jenkins docs more thoroughly? Post on a mailing list? See something on StackOverflow? Hire a consultant?

I would bet on "the new recruit found it, 45 minutes in in the onboarding process".

My first task at my current job, after familiarising myself with the codebase was to improve the CI pipeline
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