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Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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I heard an interesting question at one point: "how come, when you throw a ball up on Earth, the parabola is so strongly curved? Spacetime is nearly flat, so how can a straight line become such a steep parabola?" I'll answer this question as I understand it, but I only took four lectures of General Relativity before I gave it up in favour of computability and logic, so if there is a more intuitive and/or less wrong an…

On human scales, the time dimension is much "bigger" than the space dimensions...

This is really interesting, and it made me wonder how to convert between space and time. I mean, one meter up is equivalent in magnitude to one meter forward, is equivalent to one meter to the right. Is _c_ the conversion between space and time? In other words, is 300 million meters equivalent in magnitude to one second of time?

Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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Curvature due to gravity does not depend on mass, which is kind of hinted at when mass cancels in F=ma for that force.

Curvature due to gravity depends entirely on mass. No mass = no spacetime curvature. In this case, the mass of the Earth is causing the curvature.

Slight correction: curvature depends on the stress-energy tensor, of which energy is a component.

A more energetic particle of the same mass will have a very slightly higher gravitational attraction.

Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curvature due to gravity does not depend on mass, which is kind of hinted at when mass cancels in F=ma for that force.

Curvature due to gravity depends entirely on mass. No mass = no spacetime curvature. In this case, the mass of the Earth is causing the curvature.

The curvature depends on the mass of the earth, but it _doesn't_ depend on the mass of the photon/ball.

Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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I can't imagine how this applies to the whole earth. Assume there is 'top' and 'bottom' of the sphere, don't know how they do navigation in space, but assume it is like the usual earth maps. So how the things on the bottom get drawn to the earth, while they should go into the other side. Clearly there is something I don't understand, but I don't know what it is.

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My enlightening moment about general relativity: apples do not fall on the ground, instead, the earth is inflating, and the inflation of the earth is accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2. Eventually, the ground catches the apple. Of course, you are going to tell me that the earth is not inflating, obviously, because it is still the same size after so many years. But here is the trick: the earth is inflating at the same rate as…

Does this mean some sort of artificial gravity may be possible after all by causing some kind of inflation?

Yes - and it's observable in every rocket launch. When an astronaut is pushed back against their seat, they feel artificial gravity caused by the exhaust behind them inflating faster than the Earth normally does.

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Are we flat in the time dimension? Or what is our time size?

>Or what is our time size? That's just another way of describing the total time you exist.

Your size in X, Y, Z isn't equal to the total distance you've traveled, so why would your size in t be the total time you've traveled?

Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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Ok, great opportunity for me to ask a dumb question that's been bothering me for a while, for practical reasons I won't go into.

How is gravity like a force at all, even in Newtonian physics? It seems like mismatched units. Gravity is an acceleration, not a force. F=ma, right? So if gravity were a force, it would produce an acceleration that was dependent on the mass, and it doesn't, so it seems to me like the only sense in which gravity is a force is if you define force as "something you can't see that makes things move", which is a pretty useless definition.

Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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My enlightening moment about general relativity: apples do not fall on the ground, instead, the earth is inflating, and the inflation of the earth is accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2. Eventually, the ground catches the apple. Of course, you are going to tell me that the earth is not inflating, obviously, because it is still the same size after so many years. But here is the trick: the earth is inflating at the same rate as…

How would spacetime know to contract right to the center of earth?!

Re: Gravity is not a force – free-fall parabolas are straight lines in spacetime

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What's more deep IMHO, is say, generaling things so you don't think so rigidly. Remember, just by naming things, it creates a bias. It's an implicit bias but a biased behavior to be sure. It creates a cultural bias just by knowing certain "groups" of people who know that name and associate with a sensation cause stuff to happen. A lot of modern day cognitive scientists and neurosciencts know about this. It causes a cultural bias. If you drop the rigidity of the "names necessity" semantic bias (just google or whatever thsa). Then it can lead to much better innovation and software/hardware sensing. Remember in physics, despite Yangs-Mills theory, we still haven't been able to use deformation mechanics and some unitary renormalization group but can apparently explain a lot of physical phenomoninon, but still can't do a full integration despite flavors of the standard model. So local gauge theories which respect various local/global laws that can easily encode symmetries in constructive D-G symmetries/anti-symmetries to make things commute (reunify math) across boundaries to attach to enough new constructive cohomologies in comonadic space (you get full stack frames back cause a page fault if you imagine the second dimension as breaking the riemann hypothesis, a lot of problems are isomorphic to it). This basically allows you to perform reverse mathmatics in some eigen computation problem to solve decision problems reflexively by using any old applicative language. Just turn stuff and look the self-adjoint properties of any arbitrary graph and look at the compositional structure. I learned most of this stuff by just re-reading Edwin Thompson Jaynes ideas on mathmatical physics and probability theory. He clearly talks about joins and meets (lattices are just combinatorial 2-ary lattice structures) but you can generalize on arbitary distributive lattices these days and generalize the creation of artifical neural networks. You can just point to how to apply it to any higher order language like swift that has a SIL where differentiate could be defined to define big step small step semantics and then use say a language like rust to create a series of n-ary modules to define n-ary 1 order prepositional substructures with 2-ary levels of static type checking about memory and type safety. Remember, names are arbitrary and prevent creativity, make things you are talking in the right semantic codecs (shared language), once you can understand the digital (unicode) spectrum, you can just abstract stuff. It's easier for me to talk in differential geometry rather than "trivialized linear algebra" which has been trivialized by non-linear optimization. You can talk about much larger invariants of spaces that can triangulate two indeo-differential systems of equations easily back to a simple 1-transversal span folded space bit which is too regular these days. Remember all the world sheets that physicists used to scan worldsheets over? The same thing applies in theory of computation. Remember convex optimization? Same things. In linear non-linear functions it's all trivialized. You don't even need FPGAs or ASICs anymore once you learn about discrete C-algebras where can be thought about gossip in cryptographically encrypted protocols.
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