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Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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I'm sorry Rubatuga, I flagged you. To be fair: I'm not having the best of days, so I might be a bit quicker to flag, but I find this behavior on HN unacceptable. You make an overgeneralized claim ("this is all ") and give no evidence. There is an extreme amount of evidence on the contrary that the WHM has a lot of novel scientific elements to it. See [1] as an example. Medlife crisis also did a good nuanced video on…

Thanks to the censorship I can only assume OP said something critical towards WHM, which would be in the minority in this thread, but I'll never know. Which is a bit chilling, pardon the pun.

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Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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Thanks to the censorship I can only assume OP said something critical towards WHM, which would be in the minority in this thread, but I'll never know. Which is a bit chilling, pardon the pun.

I'd call it "moderation" rather than "censorship", but if you want to view the "uncensored" version of the site, you can click on your sign-in name in the top-right of the header, and you will be taken to your profile. From there, set "show-dead" to "yes" to be able to view this and other flag-killed comments. I and many others on the site prefer to view it in this form. If you have show-dead on and some minimum numb…

Perhaps a downvote would've been better yea. Thanks for mentioning that.

Edit: unflagged and downvoted. I'll let the original comment stand as I can't edit it anyway.

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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When a friend first told me about taking cold showers everyday, I thought he was incredibly motivated and a little crazy. Then when I finally decided to look into it and did the breathing technique, I realized I might be able to take a cold shower. Now I've been taking 1-2min cold showers (after my regular hot shower), every day for the last 4 months. It gives me a huge boost of energy, way better than coffee. Also,…

>Also, I recently read a translation and comment of the first speech by Buddha after enlightment. It's enlight en ment. Interesting; got a link?

The first sermon is said to be recorded by the dhammacakkappavattana sutta.

Ṭhānissaro Bhikkhu's translations of the pāli Canon are usually sensible: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN56_11.html

or Bhikkhu Bodhi: https://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut001.htm

There are also translations around that come via the Chinese cannon instead.

The suttas are probably very hard to understand without background knowledge or commentary (or, really, actual practice), but of course I don't know which of the commentaries GP refers to. The dhammacakkappavattana sutta, being one of the important/famous ones, has truly voluminous commentary from truly voluminous sources.

GP refers to "continuous effort to face the uncomfortable". I'm not sure that I'd use that sentence to summarise the Buddhas teaching to be honest. But I suppose that it could be a reference to the 6th limb of the noble eightfold path (right-effort), or the 7th (right-mindfulness), or to the 1st noble truth (the truth of unsatisfactoriness/ suffering).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path

First sermon aside, his last words also, as given in the maha-parinibbana sutta, were to be "heedful" or to "strive diligently".

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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Kambo, a properly dosed frog poison applied to the limbic system by first searing small dots through top layer of skin, has a similar effect by strongly engaging the immune system once it detects the poison - and causes a whole body reaction where the limbic/lymphatic system rapidly clears out the poison (and whatever other stagnant toxins are in the system), dumping them into the stomach which then have to be thrown…

Could you cite a source that says that toxins are dumped into the stomach in particular? I’m not very educated in anatomy but I’ve never heard of the lymphatic system interacting with the digestive system in this way. Thank you!

I'm also curious, but sceptical because "toxins" is often used as a generic vague term when advocating pseudoscientific remedies.

Wikipedia states that no pharmokinetic studies have been done on this "Kambo cleanse". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambo_cleanse

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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I take cold showers. They do virtually nothing for me except if I am extremely sleepy. "make a continuous effort to face the uncomfortable" That's not the Buddhist teaching. The Buddhist teaching is apathy to everything via lack of desire. "but with the goal of reaching full detachment (Nirvana). You can also do both together." The stated goal of Buddhism is lack of desire. The stated goal of modern meditation is a r…

> The stated goal of Buddhism is lack of desire. No, actually not as that is totally and utterly physically and mentally impossible. Your body and your mind are _made_ to desire and act, there is no sense in denying this and Buddha sure as hell did not. What you're looking for is lack of attachment . Desire is no problem, it's the attachment to it (and it's the same with everything). The belief in an I that is doing…

The Buddha taught that the root of all suffering is desire, tanhā. This comes in three forms, which he described as the Three Roots of Evil, or the Three Fires, or the Three Poisons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/buddhism/beliefs/fo...

This is the first random "source" I pulled up, every other will say the same.

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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I'm sorry Rubatuga, I flagged you. To be fair: I'm not having the best of days, so I might be a bit quicker to flag, but I find this behavior on HN unacceptable. You make an overgeneralized claim ("this is all ") and give no evidence. There is an extreme amount of evidence on the contrary that the WHM has a lot of novel scientific elements to it. See [1] as an example. Medlife crisis also did a good nuanced video on…

[1] shows only that repeatedly hyperventilating then depriving oneself of oxygen affects various blood parameters. This is not surprising, and not evidence that the more pseudoscientific mind-over-body claims of the Wim Hof method are valid.

According to [1] what I find interesting is:

> In contrast, in trained individuals, practicing the learned breathing techniques resulted in an immediate and profound decrease of pCO2 and bicarbonate, and an increase in pH (reaching up to 7.75 in individual subjects; Fig. 2 and Movie S2), indicating acute respiratory alkalosis.

I'm not a doctor, but since I was part of the study and asked them a lot of questions, I can sort of interpret what they found, which is that your CO2 levels drop (among other things).

With the WHM breathing technique that means you'll be getting into a territory of prolonged oxygen deprivation. In my case I'd be holding my breath for 3 minutes (while completely breathing out beforehand, without the WHM, I could only hold my breath for 20 seconds).

They measured that while doing the WHM your adrenaline level is on average higher than your peak adrenaline level while you're bungee jumping.

> Epinephrine levels in trained individuals were even higher than those reported in a recent study in which acute stress elicited by a bungee jump was found to suppress cytokine production by leukocytes ex vivo stimulated with LPS (13).

It might be in the article, but my suspicion is that this is because of prolonged oxygen deprivation. See also Fig 3A for how high the adrenaline levels got.

So to me it's clear that the WHM gives you a lot of adrenaline. What does adrenaline do? Well, it makes you numb, it acts as a painkiller in the sense that it makes you feel less (again not a doctor, but based on my limited knowledge this is a fact). So that's one reason why it's easier to jump into really cold water.

Moreover, it yields some evidence to some "mind over body" claims. It isn't really mind over body, it's adrenaline that can be conjured consciously at will. I'm speaking also from personal experience [1].

[1] I've done this at many Dutch dance festivals (e.g. Liquicity, Mysteryland). Instead of taking drugs, I'd do the WHM to spike my adrenaline levels as high as possible and had a great time.

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The problem here is broken nutritional epistemology and lack of education. Remember that as recently as the early 1970s, it was broadly promoted, almost as a nootropic. In my home town in Australia it was common to add spoonfuls of sugar over breakfast cereal, Nutella and Milo (chocolate milk drink) were promoted as healthy sports foods for children, and a tablespoon of sugar (I know!!) was promoted as a good way to…

What’s so bad about bubble tea? Never had it, but I thought it was just iced tea with some starch in.

It's pretty sweet and the bubbles are starchy I think (tapioca?), but not an expert.

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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When a friend first told me about taking cold showers everyday, I thought he was incredibly motivated and a little crazy. Then when I finally decided to look into it and did the breathing technique, I realized I might be able to take a cold shower. Now I've been taking 1-2min cold showers (after my regular hot shower), every day for the last 4 months. It gives me a huge boost of energy, way better than coffee. Also,…

That is because he got it from the Buddhist Tummo techniques. >It has similarities to Tibetan Tummo meditation and pranayama, both of which employ breathing techniques.[25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tummo I won’t say he appropriated it, because he is quite open about it and adapted it, but it did not originate with him.

The article doesn't mention it, but there is a long tradition of hesychastic prayer[0] in Christianity, starting with the desert Fathers, and continuing in the practice of the Jesus Prayer. Some teachings about the Jesus Prayer which emphasize the importance of breath also include serious warnings about the possibility of bodily harm if the prayer is not done correctly. While early practitioners likely saw this as God's judgement on the unrighteous, current practitioners better understand the physiological effects of breath work, and the potential dangers if done incorrectly.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Prayer

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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When a friend first told me about taking cold showers everyday, I thought he was incredibly motivated and a little crazy. Then when I finally decided to look into it and did the breathing technique, I realized I might be able to take a cold shower. Now I've been taking 1-2min cold showers (after my regular hot shower), every day for the last 4 months. It gives me a huge boost of energy, way better than coffee. Also,…

I did it because my water heater broke.

Then I got used to it.

Then I couldn't stop because my skin feels different, better.

Now I tell everyone I Wim Hoffed the whole thing, so I'm cool.

Re: Wim Hof’s teachings about breath work and the health benefits of cold plunges

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When a friend first told me about taking cold showers everyday, I thought he was incredibly motivated and a little crazy. Then when I finally decided to look into it and did the breathing technique, I realized I might be able to take a cold shower. Now I've been taking 1-2min cold showers (after my regular hot shower), every day for the last 4 months. It gives me a huge boost of energy, way better than coffee. Also,…

When you wrote 'way better than coffee', I had to think of my favourite morning routine: getting up and going straight to work on my bicycle. In winter this gives me a sort of freshness shock that may be similar to the cold shower. There's nothing quite like it in terms of waking up: indeed it's better than coffee.

My personal experience doesn't agree with this. In college I had a habit of waking up with the exact minimum amount of time necessary to get to class. I would throw myself out of bed, get dressed and brush my teeth as quickly as possible, sprint down the stairs, and then race my bike as quickly as I could to class--only to fall back asleep as soon as I was in my chair.

In fairness, I was rather sleep deprived at that time.

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