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I don't think you need a citation for something that every country most likely aspires towards.
I... don't think many countries aspire to that.
A dystopian and Orwellian trend.
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To answer the question, China at the very least had a hand in the creation of Vietnam and north korea. They could be trying to export the system for different reasons than world domination. Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china?
> Perhaps just to make some money or befriend the neighbors. Russia sells its technology to anyone who wants it. Why wouldn't china?
That's not the OP was talking about was it.
Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
Nitpick: I don't think it's completely accurate to imply that Chinese elites are exclusively interested in economic self-enrichment. Societies where the elites are only interested in stealing everything they can take look like Nigeria (or Mississippi): a tiny sliver of people living in luxury while the rest of the population lives in permanent, abject, squalor. In contrast, median living standards in China have impro…
It's a small absolute cost to take someone from mud hut to concrete box, but the relative economic multiples for those in charge, multiplied by a few hundred million, are massive. It's also much harder to foment revolution when you've been lifted out of poverty in a generation (even if it's due!)
Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
Nitpick: I don't think it's completely accurate to imply that Chinese elites are exclusively interested in economic self-enrichment. Societies where the elites are only interested in stealing everything they can take look like Nigeria (or Mississippi): a tiny sliver of people living in luxury while the rest of the population lives in permanent, abject, squalor. In contrast, median living standards in China have impro…
Ultimately, what would such a system be optimized for? The goals will be modulated by the persons or groups in power. From what I've seen, the powerful in China seek a stable, well behaved, productive workforce such that the profit from their labor can accrue to the benefit of the ruling class. A data collection system as pervasive as the social credit system that feeds into a self-optimizing control center that can…
Nitpick: I don't think it's completely accurate to imply that Chinese elites are exclusively interested in economic self-enrichment. Societies where the elites are only interested in stealing everything they can take look like Nigeria (or Mississippi): a tiny sliver of people living in luxury while the rest of the population lives in permanent, abject, squalor. In contrast, median living standards in China have impro…
Like the article mentions, private sector credit systems have the same or similar result in dictating outcomes, but as long as its not from the state, nobody in the west will care about it. Which is very weird because it is exactly how people end up living in worse neighborhoods even if they have enough money to pay rent elsewhere, leading to worse and worse outcomes and no way to change that. A state sanctioned one…
Private sector credit systems allow you to examine your record and appeal to get incorrect information corrected, with a legal framework in place that ensures the credit bureau actually acts on your complaints. Also their scope is limited: if I show that I can't be trusted with credit, the result of my low credit score is that it becomes harder for me to get more credit. With China's social credit system, me habitual…
Is this really true in the US? Increasingly I've been surprised at all the places that want to pull credit. Cellphone companies, electric company, applying to rent an apt, even HR departments.
" The idea behind this is understandable: As social networks decline and anonymity in cities rises, the social pressure to behave in an acceptable way declines as well. China now replaces this social pressure with the Social Credit System so that people even when living anonymously in any city behave in an acceptable way. " Holy sh*t. That's some straight up Orwellian thought, there.
Could you elaborate?
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My god, you sound exactly like the mindless drones that george orwell described in 1984. Instead of the "2 minute hate", you just participate online in a "2 minute rant". And instead of "eurasia/eastasia was always the enemy", you have "china is always the enemy". And instead of sneering at "Emmanual Goldstein", you sneer at "Xi Jinping". What is more orwellian than your comment: "We should be ever more vigilant and…
Please don't break the site guidelines like this. I realize that it can be extremely frustrating to encounter comments that are so wrong from your perspective, especially when you're representing a minority viewpoint in the community. But we simply can't have commenters doing this sort of flamewar on the site—the community won't survive it. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.ht…
You were right to flag the comment in this instance. I realized I went a bit too far and actually went to delete/edit my comment soon after I submitted it but saw that it was already correctly flagged. I then was about to write an apology but was rate limited. So I just moved on.
> I realize that it can be extremely frustrating to encounter comments that are so wrong from your perspective
It was not just that it is wrong. It was that it read like plain propaganda. "We should be ever more vigilant and actively oppose this type of draconian nightmare that George Orwell envisioned in 1984 and which is being perfected by the CCP and brother #1 Xi Jinping." Normal people do not talk like this. You don't, I don't, nobody does. Not only that, the guy twisted 1984 for his agenda when 1984 truly warned us about he was doing. 1984 wasn't a warning about "the CCP" or "brother #1 Xi Jinping". On the surface it may appear to be a warning about the other. But fundamentally, it was a warning about people who exploit "the other", "the enemy", etc to instill fear and control within one's society. It's not about them, it's about us.
I definitely slipped up there and will stay within the guidelines. Not a fan of flamewars either.