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Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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If someone asked me to critique the UX of Wikipedia, the first two things I’d point out would be that I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) and that when paragraphs are that wide they become harder to read (especially when they snake around floated images). Not changing for 10 years, watching as some trends fade and others become law-of-the-land, and then making two changes…

> I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) The left sidebar has two killer features for me: 1. Finding canonical translations for technical terms. You need to know what the standard way to translate "hardware acceleration" or "differentiable manifold" is in French? Go to the wikipedia page and hover over the language switcher link in the left sidebar. Done. This has become one…

The direct link to the commons page is also useful for finding pictures related to a topic.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

#142

I wish instead of UI tweaks they would do something about toxic admins and power editors spreading misinformation with the assistance of kafkaesque bureaucracy and censorship.

That would bring something called accountability to the table. We're not ready for it yet. Enjoy the new UX!

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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post #137
post #19

If someone asked me to critique the UX of Wikipedia, the first two things I’d point out would be that I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) and that when paragraphs are that wide they become harder to read (especially when they snake around floated images). Not changing for 10 years, watching as some trends fade and others become law-of-the-land, and then making two changes…

Which is why I almost always use the mobile variant of Wikipedia. It is so much better, even on Desktop.

I find it really frustrating, because the sections all start collapsed, so "Find in page" doesn't work.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reducing maximum column width would also be my #1 suggestion. Maybe that can be taken care of through themeing/browser plugins? If anyone has good ones to recommend, suggestions appreciated.

They are reducing maximum column width, but perhaps not as drastically as you'd wish: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Reading/We...

Yeah, I don't think 900+px is ideal for reading on a desktop computer. Better than nothing, though!

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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I don't get it.

On desktop, collapsing the left bar does nothing. It doesn't provide space, it doesn't enhance the viewability of the main content. It is purely aesthetic. In that sense, it doesn't harm me, but I wonder what kind of person needs it.

The second thing I notice is that it removes borders, further eliminating visual cues on header/sidebar/main content. It's a blob of white with paragraphs. It feels less structured.

Finally, I think limiting line width feels wrong on things like the main page, or on wikis that have wide tables for reference. It would be good to see more examples of how it affects tabular data.

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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I'm pretty confident I don't want this. I'd like to be proven wrong, but there was maybe a couple of cases among hundreds when perfectly working UI was actually improved instead of fucking broken by "getting a new look".

What I actually would like to be improved is how the data is represented internally. Let's face it, it has been a long time since Wikipedia has become the largest and most accessible knowledge base in the world. It was made simple, which is a part of why it is successful. MediaWiki is pretty much a blogging engine, article content and structure is restricted by the guidelines only, not by the engine. This is good, and at the early stages it was the only possible solution, since there is so much that can be useful in an encyclopedia article.

However, now we know a lot of patterns of how data represented in different articles is similar. But wikitext is still basically just a human language with a bit of markup elements. Sure, there are templates, which are slowly improving over the time, but still, it's petty much a collection of free-form blogposts. There is almost no way to separate data from the representation (i.e. to have a table contents as a csv, with a template assigned). There were some attempts to make it possible, but querying (or modifying) data automatically is still very much a pain. A lot of it requires parsing, and (perhaps even more annoyingly) — pretty simple parsing. But you have to do that work for every single problem you have. Instead of, you know, to just query data I know there is. In fact, when you start parsing templates it becomes very clear very quickly, that they are vastly underused. Absolutely the same data, like years of life in bio-articles is still represented differently even in very elaborate and well-maintained articles.

Very little has been done in this regard over the last 10 years, I feel. And improvement does require a lot of work: looking for possible templates, promoting generic data representation among contributors, modifying wikitext to allow for it, improving the API. It they are looking how to spend money, I'd rather want it to be this, because making a lot of data machine-accessible would be literally as huge, as making wikipedia human-accessible was about 20-15 years ago. Sometimes I need to open 500 articles to read a single sentence in each of them, and some python script could've done it for me in a second (a couple of seconds maybe, depending on how wikipedia stores and represents the data).

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

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post #19

If someone asked me to critique the UX of Wikipedia, the first two things I’d point out would be that I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) and that when paragraphs are that wide they become harder to read (especially when they snake around floated images). Not changing for 10 years, watching as some trends fade and others become law-of-the-land, and then making two changes…

> I almost never use the left hand side bar (and I have a feel almost no one does) The left sidebar has two killer features for me: 1. Finding canonical translations for technical terms. You need to know what the standard way to translate "hardware acceleration" or "differentiable manifold" is in French? Go to the wikipedia page and hover over the language switcher link in the left sidebar. Done. This has become one…

I personally had no idea this existed, even though I would (and now will) use it avidly. So that's probably an indication that the UX needs to change to improve discoverability!

Re: Wikipedia is getting a new look

#150
post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use that quite a lot, because google periodically just refuses to acknowledge that I usually want my links in English despite living in Germany. English quality is often times a bit better, but it is also useful to check in multiple languages, as sometimes you get different information, especially on more controversial topics.

or regional ones. topics that relate to the german area are usually more detailed in german. same for other areas and languages to the point that it can be worth it to use machine translation to look into a foreign local topic

That's how it should be at least, but not always! - Probably the best department for german literature is in Princeton, and my favorite scholar on german existentialism, Walter Kaufmann, also an American at Princeton.
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