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Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

I use YouTube infrequently. Usually for binging random content like comedy sketches or speedrunning. No matter what I'm on, there's always a few videos in my recommendations that make no sense and look like trash. Not generically, but specific videos that ALWAYS appear. One of them is "I PAID FIVE BASSISTS ON FIVR TO PLAY AN IMPOSSIBLE BASSLINE" ... Why is this so bad? What are your hundreds of data scientists doing?

I think these are exploitation/exploration trade-offs.

YouTube only knows your interests by the videos you watch. It knows you like speedruns, so it will show you speedruns, easy. But you certainly have other unrelated interests: cooking, woodworking, old cars, whatever. So, from time to time, Google takes a chance and shows you a random topic just to gauge your interest.

It works on a global scale too. They want some variety, they don't want to depend only on a few topics and previously successful YouTubers. So sometimes, they may pick a random video and so it to everyone, and if it succeeds, they have something new.

It is actually rather clear when you look at your recommendations to determine which are which. Typically you are going to find a mix of videos related to the video you just watched, videos relative to your global interests, trending videos, and random stuff.

If some generally effective machine learning algorithm acts really stupid from time to time, chances are that it is exploring, that is: it is asking you a question instead of giving you an answer.

Edit: someone mentionned the multi-armed bandit, yes, this is such an algorithm

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

Youtube's recommendation algorithm is just dumb, in my opinion. At least half of the time on Youtube, I watch classical music, and you would think Youtube would recommend me some classical performances that I haven't yet seen. Nope. It keeps feeding me exactly the same videos I've already watched, despite being basically the largest catalogue of classical music videos. What's the point of a recommendation system if i…

Contrary data point: I watch a lot of classical music on YouTube and it gives me consistently excellent recommendations.

(Although I only take recommendations from the front page, and ignore the playlists entirely.)

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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Youtube's recommendation algorithm is just dumb, in my opinion. At least half of the time on Youtube, I watch classical music, and you would think Youtube would recommend me some classical performances that I haven't yet seen. Nope. It keeps feeding me exactly the same videos I've already watched, despite being basically the largest catalogue of classical music videos. What's the point of a recommendation system if i…

It's because a large segment of classical music watchers are using it as a background music playlist, and listen to the same recordings repeatedly.

They should be able to distinguish between users who always play the same video in a loop vs. users who never watch anything twice (or anything intermediate between the two extremes) and adjust the recommendations based on that.

But maybe their recommendation engine is hyper-focused on the matrix-completion framework and doesn't use any information other than which users watched which videos.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

Comparing my TikTok "For You" page on an account that doesn't follow any other accounts with my YouTube Home on an account with tons of subscribed channels that are relevant to my interests I'm astonished at how fucking terrible the YouTube recommendations are. Absolute dogshit. Awful.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#146

What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

Youtube's recommendation algorithm is just dumb, in my opinion. At least half of the time on Youtube, I watch classical music, and you would think Youtube would recommend me some classical performances that I haven't yet seen. Nope. It keeps feeding me exactly the same videos I've already watched, despite being basically the largest catalogue of classical music videos. What's the point of a recommendation system if i…

> What's the point of a recommendation system if it doesn't even recommend new video of the same category I like?

Because YouTube doesn't care what you want--YouTube cares what it can monetize.

I suspect that YouTube gets very little money from showing you classical performances but gets lots from showing you the latest "Funny Cat Video".

You are the product, not the customer.

Once you internalize that, stuff that Google does makes sense.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/

I think the "exclusively for Firefox development" is pretty important. Mozilla is doing a lot of random things these days

>Mozilla is doing a lot of random things these days

Yeah, like paying three million to its CEO annually. That's not going into Firefox development alright.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube's recommendation algorithm is just dumb, in my opinion. At least half of the time on Youtube, I watch classical music, and you would think Youtube would recommend me some classical performances that I haven't yet seen. Nope. It keeps feeding me exactly the same videos I've already watched, despite being basically the largest catalogue of classical music videos. What's the point of a recommendation system if i…

> What's the point of a recommendation system if it doesn't even recommend new video of the same category I like? Because YouTube doesn't care what you want --YouTube cares what it can monetize . I suspect that YouTube gets very little money from showing you classical performances but gets lots from showing you the latest "Funny Cat Video". You are the product , not the customer. Once you internalize that, stuff that…

The thing is, it doesn’t even show me funny cat video anymore. It’s the same classical music video recommended over and over again.

To be honest, the more I think about it, the more I don’t know what money is YouTube trying to earn.

It’s probably just a dumb algorithm.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube's recommendation algorithm is just dumb, in my opinion. At least half of the time on Youtube, I watch classical music, and you would think Youtube would recommend me some classical performances that I haven't yet seen. Nope. It keeps feeding me exactly the same videos I've already watched, despite being basically the largest catalogue of classical music videos. What's the point of a recommendation system if i…

> What's the point of a recommendation system if it doesn't even recommend new video of the same category I like? Because YouTube doesn't care what you want --YouTube cares what it can monetize . I suspect that YouTube gets very little money from showing you classical performances but gets lots from showing you the latest "Funny Cat Video". You are the product , not the customer. Once you internalize that, stuff that…

> Because YouTube doesn't care what you want--YouTube cares what it can monetize.

> You are the product, not the customer.

> Once you internalize that, stuff that Google does makes sense.

They published their algorithm. They rank items according to predicted watch-time. The other poster is probably correct, in that many people use these long classical music videos as background music over and over (i.e. high watch time) and so they're highly ranked.

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