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Global Mass Surveillance – The Fourteen Eyes

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Re: Global Mass Surveillance – The Fourteen Eyes

#141

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in the Snowden leaks, there is a document that lists the opinions of NSA's legal counsel about a list of collection practices. one of the questions is whether passwords sent across the network are considered metadata or content. NSA legal says passwords are metadata. which means NSA can scan all traffic for passwords and steal them and no FISA warrant is needed, nor a subpoena. of course NSA already has a dozen progr…

What does the NSA have to do with Canadian law? Last I checked we weren't the 51st state...

Canada is part of the Five Eyes and might share what they find if thought useful.

Anyway, the point is that the website claims canadian courts can lawfully demand your password/key (key disclosure law) even though the reference cited (Wikipedia) says the exact opposite.

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Odd. As a team member, I can confirm that we (obviuosly) take privacy very seriously. This shouldn't have happened. Do you have a screenshot?

I think you misread (I did too at first) it to mean the cookie consent was on privacytools.io. However, I think they're referring to the Belgium link under the "Key disclosure laws may apply" which links to https://tweakers.net/nieuws/163116/belgische-rechter-verdach...

Ahh, thanks for clarifing. I've told the other team members.

Re: Global Mass Surveillance – The Fourteen Eyes

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post #68

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>You're welcome to let all of your private information out for everyone to see if that's what you believe I don't necessarily want to, I'm just being realistic and pragmatic. >But people like me who do not want to do that should not be forced to. No one is forced to but the inconvenience and the cost of keeping thing private will go up and up.

> I'm just being realistic and pragmatic. Being realistic and pragmatic doesn't need to mean being defeatist. > the inconvenience and the cost of keeping thing private will go up and up Only if citizens let governments continue to increase their surveillance activities with no oversight and no pushback.

I'm not defeatist. I'm not defending less privacy for the sake of less privacy. In the end the goal is to not suffer.

Whether its done through less privacy or more privacy doesn't really matter.

>Only if citizens let governments continue to increase their surveillance activities with no oversight and no pushback

I would rather push for more openness and transparency, open up the surveillance for everyone to reduce the information asymmetries.

Or pushing for technology that enable citizen to survilance the government.

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The link is dead atm.

There's something odd going on. I'm getting an NXDOMAIN error. It looks like I get different results depending on which DNS server I try: $ dig @8.8.8.8 www.privacytools.io (No results.) $ dig @8.8.4.4 www.privacytools.io www.privacytools.io. 3158 IN A 135.181.7.217 $ dig @75.75.75.75 www.privacytools.io (No result.) $ dig @1.1.1.1 www.privacytools.io www.privacytools.io. 1395 IN A 135.181.7.217

Don't have anything to add except for "ditto" as of right now. Still looking into it.

Re: Global Mass Surveillance – The Fourteen Eyes

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post #144
post #36

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There's something odd going on. I'm getting an NXDOMAIN error. It looks like I get different results depending on which DNS server I try: $ dig @8.8.8.8 www.privacytools.io (No results.) $ dig @8.8.4.4 www.privacytools.io www.privacytools.io. 3158 IN A 135.181.7.217 $ dig @75.75.75.75 www.privacytools.io (No result.) $ dig @1.1.1.1 www.privacytools.io www.privacytools.io. 1395 IN A 135.181.7.217

Don't have anything to add except for "ditto" as of right now. Still looking into it.

I flushed Google's DNS for the domain and it looks normal now.

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> how can we work against this on a technical level? As the saying goes, you can't use a technical solution to fix a social problem. One way to fix the social problem is to vote politicians out of office when they make bad decisions--not just about surveillance, but in general. People who don't have to pay a cost for bad decisions have no incentive to make better decisions. Another way is to not give powers like this…

> Another way is to not give powers like this to governments in the first place. If politicians don't have decision making power at all over something, they can't harm the rest of us by making a bad decision. It is generally impossible for a parliament to pass a law that forbids a future parliament from repealing it.

That is not generally true. Countries with codified constitutions have special rules on constitutional amendments (examples include Australia and Switzerland which require a public vote on constitutional amendments, and even the US requires 75% of state legislatures to approve amendments). Even New Zealand (which doesn't have a codified constitution) has passed laws -- such as the Electoral Act 1993 -- which restrict the power of future parliaments from passing certain legislation.

The constitutional convention you mentioned basically only exists in any significant form in the UK, though the concept does exist in a lesser extent to procedural rules (standing orders) in Commonwealth-descended parliaments around the world.

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What does the NSA have to do with Canadian law? Last I checked we weren't the 51st state...

Canada is part of the Five Eyes and might share what they find if thought useful. Anyway, the point is that the website claims canadian courts can lawfully demand your password/key (key disclosure law) even though the reference cited (Wikipedia) says the exact opposite.

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Re: Global Mass Surveillance – The Fourteen Eyes

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in the Snowden leaks, there is a document that lists the opinions of NSA's legal counsel about a list of collection practices. one of the questions is whether passwords sent across the network are considered metadata or content. NSA legal says passwords are metadata. which means NSA can scan all traffic for passwords and steal them and no FISA warrant is needed, nor a subpoena. of course NSA already has a dozen progr…

What does the NSA have to do with Canadian law? Last I checked we weren't the 51st state...

Just realised you were answering to another comment and not its parent... Disregard my previous answer.

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What I don't see many talk about is how much harm the belief that they harvest everything is, on top of just the actual deed itself. If I am an organization that is well known to be spying on everyone and anything, that means I can very convincingly fabricate evidence against my enemies. It goes beyond simple spying, they now have the ability to manufacture whatever truth they'd like.

> What I don't see many talk about is how much harm the belief that they harvest everything is, on top of just the actual deed itself. Snowden, Assange? They've both talk(ed) at great length about the perils of a Society that will self-censor due to the fear of retribution that follows when everything one has said be it in text/phone/online is constantly held in bulk collection. Moreover, if anyone has followed what…

> in China where dissenters are forced into re-education black op sites and are forced into public apologies, or in other cases they're disappeared altogether

Are you referencing something specific?

> This occurred in HK prior to the passing of the NSL, people were essentially trying to scrub their online presence for fear of retroactive punishment from the CCP

Not saying we should take their word for it but the letter of the law says it's not retroactive. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3089166.... Do you have primary sources demonstrating otherwise?

Re: Global Mass Surveillance – The Fourteen Eyes

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post #149

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> What I don't see many talk about is how much harm the belief that they harvest everything is, on top of just the actual deed itself. Snowden, Assange? They've both talk(ed) at great length about the perils of a Society that will self-censor due to the fear of retribution that follows when everything one has said be it in text/phone/online is constantly held in bulk collection. Moreover, if anyone has followed what…

> in China where dissenters are forced into re-education black op sites and are forced into public apologies, or in other cases they're disappeared altogether Are you referencing something specific? > This occurred in HK prior to the passing of the NSL, people were essentially trying to scrub their online presence for fear of retroactive punishment from the CCP Not saying we should take their word for it but the lett…

> Are you referencing something specific?

Take your pick [1], (Li Zehua is worth noting) but they all stem from the same intimidation factor from the CCP, explicit documented details of the Mainlander examples are harder to track down using basic google searches, but they're out there if you look for it. I recommended a documentary called 'High Tech, Low Life' for first hand accounts of these in citizen journalism as they're being harrased by police, and one even has his passport revoked prior to boarding a plane to speak about censorship in the media in China.

I saw a few of those first hand videos they make re-posted as gifs of mainlander women who denounced the CCP/Xi on social media in the past and are often simply reading from a script lambasting themselves as 'selfish' and an 'unruly, ungrateful child' of China. Are you seriously not aware that something as simple as being a follower of Falun gong was cause to be sent to the supposed 300+ re-education camps [2] for this 'crime.'

The 'education' system in the mainland re-enforces that, as well. Compliance is not a choice, its demanded of you.

> Do you have primary sources demonstrating otherwise?

This specific case: where hired triads were not prosecuted but high profile Hongkongers are is a blatant example that it is in fact retro-active [3]. Lam Cheuk Ting, and 16 others have been arrested for their 'involvement' (which is to say recording others on the train being beaten on by unmasked assailants who went unpunished) in last year's 721 attack.

1: https://www.google.com/search?q=Chinese+citizens+forced+publ...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-education_through_labor

3: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/world/asia/hongkong-arres...

Sidenote: I may be arguing with a wumao, but I wrote this mainly for the benefit of anyone doubting this occurs at the hands of the CCP, as this poster has clearly tried to argue his pro CCP stance in his post history, in the hope that some of you FAANG workers come to realize what the implications of what you're building can look like in the hands of tyrannical governments. The US is far from innocent on the abuses of power throughout domestically and areound the World, but at least redress is a possible, albeit mainly from a lengthy and costly process that entails a significant and risky undertaking.

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