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How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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We often hear stories on how hard it is to start a business in France. As a French, I'd like to hear how easy it is in other countries (UK, US?). For example, what are the costs, the amount of paperwork...

I have done it in Germany. I had to register my website as a business, and documented how to do it on that same website. Honestly, it wasn't so hard, and I can honestly say that I made it a little easier. The hardest part was taxes, and the honest solution is "hire a tax advisor, pay 300€ a year, be done with it". The biggest problem for me is the cost of health insurance. As a self-employed person, you pay double. I…

> As a self-employed person, you pay double.

What do you mean, pay double? If you mean that, with regular employment, your "employer pays half" - that is just an accounting trick and you actually pay all of it.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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I hope you do realise that life is so easy because we are always complaining and not in spite of it. Worker rights and social safety nets did not magically appear out of thin air.

Sure, but what we're seeing here is people complaining the other way: "We pay too much taxes", "there are too many regulations", &c.

Fair enough, in that sense yes I agree that a lot of people don't have a good understanding of the inner workings of their government.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon". Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile. The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organization…

Yet hundreds of companies are created every year. You just illustrate the tipical French mentality ingrained by media all year long. A comment full of cliché. If France is so bad, move out. You'll learn a thing or two in the process. Beginning with the grass is not always greener elsewhere.

> If France is so bad, move out

Be careful what you wish for, because "they" are indeed moving out. Human capital flight is a very real problem in France.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Here's the taxes on French salaries for reference. - The company has 60k budget. - 25% goes to employer tax (charges patronales). 45k left. That's commonly called the gross salary (salaire brut). - 25% goes to employee tax (charges sociales). 34k left. Commonly called the net salary (salaire net) - Employee pays income tax at the end of the year. The rate is progressive and highly variable depending on personal situa…

This is grossly inaccurate. What you're calling taxes, are fees that allow employee to get several benefits. Practically speaking, these are delayed salary. They include social security, unemployment benefits, retirement benefits, training ... When your employee is sick, they can stay at home without losing their pay, and without your company paying for it. They can seek medical treatment without risking bankruptcy.…

French has multiple words historically (impots, taxes, charges) with subtle differences in meaning. However they've not been observed strictly in a long long time. It's all money taken out of the employee pocket at the end of the day.

In English it's all translated to "tax" and rightfully so. English languages and cultures don't have subtle semantics like French does. For example everything in the UK is a tax, corporation tax, income tax, council tax, etc... (one exception being the UK national insurance).

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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The underlying assumption is if you wear a hijab, you're not integrated. I honestly feel like this is just religious discrimation with extra steps.

But then your underlying assumption is that religion isn’t part of cultural integration. Why is religion separate from culture? I would say it’s a subset of culture.

- I mean freedom of religion is a human right.

- So In a majority christian state, is it ok to discriminate against jews?

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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From what a few of my colleagues told me: France is very racist. Apparently this is true in most of Europe. Everything looks okay on the surface but they are deep racial undertones. They tell me that believe it or not America is the one of the least racist countries. It does not mean there’s no racism in America just that it’s lesser. It’s easy for immigrants to assimilate into society in America than most places in…

France is only perceived as "racist" because historically it tried to enforce a very assimilationist model of immigration. Where countries like the US or the UK are perfectly fine with communities living next to each other with their own specificities, in France everyone is French. If you move to France it's not to import your own way of life, it's because you want to adopt the French one.

The model is simply due to how the country was created (a cosmopolitan group of very different cultures that had to find a way to form a unified country), but I don't know how sustainable it is in our modern days.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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We often hear stories on how hard it is to start a business in France. As a French, I'd like to hear how easy it is in other countries (UK, US?). For example, what are the costs, the amount of paperwork...

In the US, it's hard to answer because it will depend on the state where you incorporate. Usually you can do everything online and would venture that it would cost maybe ~$200 on average.

Keep in mind thought that "starting" the business is one thing. How easy it it to find investments, opportunities and make it sustainable is a different question.

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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reality check, 120k€/year already puts you in the top 1% of income earner in France. Past this point you should be satisfied with how much you've already earned and maybe starts caring more about the impact your job/company should have...

>reality check After taxes it's 80k which is NOT allot outside France (not even paris) and you are in the high-income class, you see when you want good people you have to pay them the right amount of money so they can pay everywhere for a good life. It's like saying, but 20$ a day is a perfect income for Morocco, why don't we have the best tech peoples around??

sigh... I assure you the top 1% earner of a high income per capita country enjoys a very high standard of living. A net income of 120k/y leaves with you with a real income of 94_080€/y (see sibling comment) or ~7840€/month when you're single. You'll have no problem renting a 30 sqm² for 1000€/month in a beautiful neighborhood in the center of Paris. Money isn't the problem, your "best tech people" are just too greedy.

And frankly, the recent backlash against big tech in relation to the ever rising compensation of SV people depicts a dark portrait of the "best tech people" around. This has more to say about the lack of moral standards in the industry than about the lack of incentives of the European Startups Ecosystems...

Re: How I got the French Tech Visa to start my company in France

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Honestly, this reads as those books titled "How to make money selling books on Amazon". Living in France, I can tell, France is very startup hostile. The amount of taxes a company has to pay and the amount of paperwork to do (or money to delegate it) is just absurd. The only way a small tech company can make any money and be sustainable (let alone grow) is having all employees as associates (with all the organization…

Yet hundreds of companies are created every year. You just illustrate the tipical French mentality ingrained by media all year long. A comment full of cliché. If France is so bad, move out. You'll learn a thing or two in the process. Beginning with the grass is not always greener elsewhere.

> A comment full of cliché. If France is so bad, move out.

Please don't do nationalistic flamewar like this on HN. (This also is a cliché, and a nasty one.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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