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Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This law is way way way overdue. American Corporations are killing Mexico's youth with junk food. I know kids who exclusively drink soda. Healthy, beautiful kids who deserve to go out and play and live their best lives.

Its not just American Corporations. The US, Canada and EU and Switzerland were all opposed to this law because it impacted they big food industry.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-health/mexicos-new...

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Covid shows that governments who fail to encourage nutritious diets will end up with higher healthcare costs.

It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…

There are plenty of countries that were not China cruel and successfully contained COVID in their country.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Or... how about we provide treatment for people who are abusing alcohol, drugs, etc? There are billions of people who can responsibly use alcohol. Banning it doesn't make any sense for those who aren't addicts.

Doesn’t matter. Look at those who try to ban guns and free speech. Millions use both responsibility every day. Besides science has shown little benefit to alcohol and tobacco and no benefit to junk food. What we need is to ban cooking at home. Government soup kitchens. All consumption needs to be documented and controlled.

> What we need is to ban cooking at home.

This needs citation, seriously. Cooking at home, even cooking "insanely unhealthy" butter injected baked chicken at home, still seems to be a lot healthier for you than a hungry man dinner, so I think that the real issue is related to the preservatives and the salt & sugar required to mask those preservatives - that are used to unnaturally extend the self-life of pre-made and frozen food.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Doesn't crop insurance exist? Why the need to constantly subsidize?

You can't eat insurance money. We are lucky to live in a age of a dramatic global decline in famine, but a large scale war or natural disaster could potentially unravel this progress in a devastating way. Subsidies can do preventative tasks that insurance cannot -- like securing additional capacity of food stores and farm land that farmers wouldn't normally do unless they were being paid to do so.

True, but the US gov't stockpiles grain, oil and other things for those kind of events. I don't see how subsidies help in those scenarios either.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…

How long until it's you the one that needs to be banned? I sincerely hope there is someone there to stand for you.

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Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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It’s not just encourage. What we’re finding is that the government has to be authoritarian. China welded people into their homes to keep them from spreading COVID. They literally caged them like animals and threw them into trucks. Now Mexico is denying children potato chips. Think about universal healthcare and alcohol. How much money is spent on alcohol related issues? The best answer is to ban its sale. Same for to…

That doesn't really go any way towards explaining why Canada, Europe or the Oceania[1] democracies have done so well in the crisis - nor does it explain how Brazil has done so poorly. I think there is more counter evidence then supporting evidence for authoritarian governments being necessary for dealing with pandemics. 1. Please note - comparatively well, Canada, Europe & Oceania aren't doing perfect they're just do…

The United States has done poorly because we are a country whose population hates each other. It’s a country comprised entirely of people whose ancestors said, “You know what? I hate you so much that I’d rather cross an ocean, face bears, wolves, and the elements than to spend another day with you.” That’s why we won’t wear masks.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Improving diet would be one of the simplest ways of improving population health. Unfortunately any real changes will cause large, politically powerful corporations (Cargill, ADM, Coca-Cola, etc.) to lose a large amount of money[1], so I'm bearish on the ability to actually create meaningful changes. But just looking at photos on people on beaches from 2019 vs 1970 makes it clear how unhealthy the population is. [1]:…

My concern is that if we can't trust the government to create a healthy recommended diet, how can we trust them to ban the correct foods? Their incentives seem to be more in line with propping up producers of large scale cheap pseudo foods with big lobbies than finding an actual healthy diet.

I get your point, but it's not hard to tax the correct foods. Just start with the worst, such as sugary drinks.

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Or... how about we provide treatment for people who are abusing alcohol, drugs, etc? There are billions of people who can responsibly use alcohol. Banning it doesn't make any sense for those who aren't addicts.

Doesn’t matter. Look at those who try to ban guns and free speech. Millions use both responsibility every day. Besides science has shown little benefit to alcohol and tobacco and no benefit to junk food. What we need is to ban cooking at home. Government soup kitchens. All consumption needs to be documented and controlled.

What?

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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more info on Chile, mentioned in article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/health/chile-soda-warning... it's probably safe to say that this is a global public health imperative, given the suffering/costs/economic loss around the world that these beverages and food-like products cause. would also like to see some money from things like corn driven to healthy food subsidies e.g. spinach (or pick your favorite) to off…

Diet Coke is like liquid Gold. I’m all in.

I have some severe concerns about the artificial sweeteners in Diet Coke - I kicked the soda habit a while back but I always stayed well away from diet sodas.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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No, it is actually both things. The sugar causes people to eat the stuff and does contribute to obesity, but sugar is only a contributer. The additives and ingredients like vegetable oils (which cause health problems of their own due to their chemical structure) also contain a lot of calories (fat contains more calories per gram than sugar). In Australia obesity increased while sugar consumption decreased. The additi…

>ingredients like vegetable oils (which cause health problems of their own due to their chemical structure) also contain a lot of calories (fat contains more calories per gram than sugar). Which are present in home cooked baked goods too. I know it's not as simple as just "sugar=fat" but the difference between home cooked junk food and industrially cooked junk food is vanishingly small.

> but the difference between home cooked junk food and industrially cooked junk food is vanishingly small.

In terms of chemistry/nutrition I agree. However there is a huge difference in convienence. Pastries are a huge pain in the ass to make, and consequently I only make two or three pies a year. Store bought pastries are trivial to acquire and gorge on seven days a week.

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