Why is there a Linux Tux logo next to macOS?
They are separate items in the horizontal list:
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Wiki.js
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Re: Wiki.js
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> Almost every wiki on the net uses MediaWiki for good reason. It is unclear to ne if you refer to statistics or gut feeling here. Would you mind clarifying?
By 'MediaWiki' I'm referring to the wikis and wiki farms that use MediaWiki or a variant of it. This includes: - Wikimedia - FANDOM - Gamepedia - Miraheze FANDOM is the most massive wiki farm with over 360,000+ (as of 2016) wikis[1], which I'd give at lowest an estimate of 60% of the total number of wikis on the net, and is 88th on the Alexa rankings.[2] FANDOM is a wiki powerhouse, and you bet it uses MediaWiki. Exc…
> Excluding WikiHow
WikiHow is using mediawiki (or at least a fork of it) https://src.wikihow.com/
But there certainly exist other wikis and wiki-like projects that dont. MDN and OWASP wiki are prominent examples that moved away from mediawiki. I think mediawiki has most of the mass-collabotation market, but there is much more competition in the open-source project documentation niche (which people often use wikis for) and corporate knowledge base market.
P.s. for the interested, mediawiki has statistics at https://pingback.wmflabs.org/#unique-wiki-count (opt-in) and https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Main_Page (based on web crawling)
Re: Wiki.js
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Unnecessarily bashing PHP is soo 2005. Like javascript, it can be written poorly due to its loose roots. Also just like javascript, it is a very different language now. That said, DocuWiki is pretty decent to get up and running quickly.
I use PHP in my day job. It is by far the worst language I've ever used. Nothing else even comes close. The language and ecosystem are so full of footguns that you are bound to shoot yourself eventually. The OpenSSL implementation will silently truncate the key [1][2] without even giving a warning. The cURL lib, in 2020, still hasn't implemented a get_curl_opt function. Sure you could wrap it if you're writing everyt…
> The language and ecosystem are so full of footguns
"footgun" is an excellent term. Here's an earlier use on HN, 2010:
Re: Wiki.js
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Yes. But keep in mind that the copyright of any contributions you might get will be held by the author of that contribution, not by you. The contributor might license that contribution under the AGPL only , and thereby put a stop to your little scheme. You would have to either get a license from the contributor to your dual licensing scheme, or simply require all contributors to sign the copyright over to you, which…
I knew about this, that's why I said "sole copyright owner". The goal is to put the code out there and restrict other from modifying it without publishing their changes to their users. But I want to keep the option of licensing it differently for specific (b2b) clients. It's a not a true open source / free software in spirit as I don't plan to accept outside contributions.
Don't let the other commenter dissuade you. There are many successful open source AGPL projects that have CLAs which are not widely disparaged. There's no shame in owning your creation, nor is it immoral to ask contributors to assign their copyright to you. To each their own. Good luck!
Re: Wiki.js
#145I've been using Wiki.js for several months now on a production project (self hosted). It has worked nearly flawlessly for me so far. No complaints. Setup was a piece of cake too.
Re: Wiki.js
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I don't really understand your take-away except for a cynical "bah, nothing ever works so don't try." Or maybe it annoys you that you didn't see some trite platitudinal disclaimer in my post about how how life is all about trade-offs and what works for Bob might work for Alice. It's like you're about to tell me that exercising doesn't pay off because it's hard to stick with a strategy. "Heh, let's see if he's still d…
The skepticism is not unwarranted. Borrowing your exercise example, it would be like saying you do X pushups every day and it changed your life, and then saying you've been doing that for a couple days. Wikis are infamous for not working out on the long term.
I have 10 years experience of editing wikis. I just never thought to start one for myself until two days ago.
If there's something so fundamentally different about running a wiki for yourself on localhost vs a collaboration like Wikipedia or UESP, then why not put some skin into the game and make that point? That sounds like an interesting topic.
I don't even understand the "skepticism". MediaWiki is one of the ubiquitously used platforms in the world via Wikipedia. Nothing about my post hinges on you taking my word, the point was that it will take you a few minutes to get it running yourself, so just try it.
Sure, maybe I came off a little strong by saying that it changed my life. But I have enough life experience to realize when I've encountered something big for me. And being able to organize some of my "lost causes" in a couple days has already made an impact on my daily workflow in a massive way, like for the first time in my life, I feel like I have a grip on my digital existence. I could go into more detail if anyone actually cared the same way I could tell you how moving to Mexico City changed my life after just two days.
Maybe you would walk away from that convo saying that my bar is too low to be using that phrase. Fair enough. But logging into a throwaway to trash it with adolescent glee is a practice in the least charitable interpretation, not someone who wants to have an honest conversation. "Um, there's no way that Mexico City changed your life in just two days" just seems like a nonstarter to me, and rather combative.
If you're skeptical, why not ask how it supposedly changed my life, and we go from there? I glossed over the details of that in my post because, well, that wasn't the point of my post. I just kinda reject this modern attack-dog culture on the internet where you supposedly have to couch everything you say in a front-loaded defense lest someone finds a way to attack you for it instead of probing for more info on it before reaching their conclusion, especially when it's a negative one.
My MediaWiki folder is almost 100gb large and I've been putting a lot of work into regaining control of everything I've built, digitally, in 10 or more years. Yes, it has already changed my life. Though this thread is already far too derailed with walls of text to have that convo here, I think.
Just try it and make your own decision. That was my point from the very first post.
Re: Wiki.js
#147I need one function in a wiki platform that I haven't seen so far. When I write text, in its WYSIWYG editor, I need an ability to paste in an image (a screenshot that I just grabbed, let's say) and for it to automatically upload it and embed it into text. Does this support something like that?
Outline (https://www.getoutline.com) supports this functionality.
Re: Wiki.js
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> large organizations Interestingly Amazon just finished a multi-year effort to migrate off MediaWiki internally to comply with an infosec mandate that PHP is banned company wide.
Source?
Quick search gives me an HN comment from 2014, without any sources either... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7440811
Re: Wiki.js
#149Just a minor nitpick. If there isn't an actual file called "wiki.js" that is self-contained, I would prefer it be called WikiJS instead of "Wiki.js" to avoid confusion. In general when I see ".js" I expect to see a single file I can import that does something useful to my code.
Re: Wiki.js
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> I just got into it two days ago This is the rub. I started a tiddlywiki last year, and stuck with it for several months, but now it has fallen to the wayside as too cumbersome.
Btw, TiddlyWiki is very, very simplistic and limited. I've used it for years for throwaway note-taking yet have a hard time equating it to the other "full" wikis. It just became an append-only log for me with very limited organizational power. Though I do like it for anything just long enough where a single .txt file doesn't cut it. Tiddly is great for that case because it encapsulates the common task of jumping betw…
https://tiddlyroam.org/ is another alternative, but Tiddly* kind of feels like a dead end. The big upside is the lack of dependencies (just a file), but when the wiki grows you soon have a 70 MB html file that kills your browser. I know there's the node.js version too, but then I might as well use MediaWiki (even more portable).