ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

And again, we are negatively impacting the entire population with very draconian rules and lock downs. Heavy handedness all around. But somehow none essential foreign influx is just fine? They can come if they have to, clearly.

People are really measuring all this by two standards. If you think it's okay for citizens to be impacted by necessary lock downs, parents not working due to young children staying home, but foreign students are cozy in their home office?

Why is that? The pandemic drags on. Half of the country remains under severe restrictions. Schools and summer camps are still mostly none-existent. Why would a country continue with exemptions when similar privileges are not granted by many originating countries?

> Students ... paying through their teeth ...

Do you have any sources for those students typically paying through their teeth?

While other countries close their borders to visa holders due to the pandemic, we don't do that in most cases. Only if your particular institution doesn't need you to be here. This rule is not void of fairness. It's compromising a difficult situation.

I'm not naïve about the bigger picture, which certainly doesn't make this any easier. We have a gravy train setup for higher education, with students paying full tuition, often displacing the local population. We have higher ed with signaling power to schools across the country. We have political disagreements with the biggest origin country. And we have a pandemic.

If there is just one student saved from coming here, that would've caused an elementary school to go into a month long covid19 shutdown in September, then this by-the-book enforcement is worth it to me. I would never assume a University would adjust their attendance plans for a semester just for foreign students alone. That wouldn't be very rational, or would it be?

* https://www.statista.com/statistics/233880/international-stu...

* https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...

If people are concerned about half a million adults educating themselves, than please also be concerned about 100 million people of a country trying to make it through a difficult time. Black and white thinking is all there seems to be these days. Either we close schools and businesses, or we don't. Either we allow the beach, or we don't. But whenever it suits we put on our refined thinking hat and try to think about all the consequences.

If a person supports closing schools, closing businesses and to not have political gatherings, all of which impacts hundreds of millions of people in the US alone, but finds excuses for exemptions, that for me would be a convoluted narrative. You quote an earlier comment of mine. Which is still valid. I made it two weeks ago and look around you. Are we accommodating peoples lives, all of them, or are we not. If you don't want to accommodate a gym instructor, nail salon owner, or working parents with what they need, its hard to get the policies you want, or the country you want. You want to prevent the spread with heavy handed measures, ruining peoples lives, and at the same time walk a fine line for expat students and protesters? You can't do both at the same time.

> If people are concerned about half a million adults educating themselves, than please also be concerned about 100 million people of a country trying to make it through a difficult time. Black and white thinking is all there seems to be these days. Either we close schools and businesses, or we don't. Either we allow the beach, or we don't. But whenever it suits we put on our refined thinking hat and try to think about all the consequences.

Absolutely hogwash! You think the folks outraged by this aren't equally outraged by the nonsensical way in which Congress is acting towards social nets in this country (the 100 million or so struggling while the 1% get even wealthier)? That's why I put out your earlier comment because it reeks of bad faith arguments. You've not put forth one coherent good faith argument in all the discussions we've had.

> If a person supports closing schools, closing businesses and to not have political gatherings, all of which impacts hundreds of millions of people in the US alone, but finds excuses for exemptions, that for me would be a convoluted narrative. You quote an earlier comment of mine. Which is still valid. I made it two weeks ago and look around you. Are we accommodating peoples lives, all of them, or are we not. If you don't want to accommodate a gym instructor, nail salon owner, or working parents with what they need, its hard to get the policies you want, or the country you want. You want to prevent the spread with heavy handed measures, ruining peoples lives, and at the same time walk a fine line for expat students and protesters? You can't do both at the same time.

Wrong once more. I'm employing empathy in both scenarios. Your solution is to view things in a black and white manner. Instead of suggesting that we close businesses and incentivize them to keep things safe for themselves and others, through expanded social safety nets like Europe is doing, so that they may reopen quicker, you paint it as a black and white open or close. Your opinions come from the same place, that of abject selfish thinking devoid of empathy. You want things to be open because the alternative, the 1% of the country taking on their fair load during these difficult times to help support the rest is unfathomable. Then, you look at a scenario that again requires empathy and placing others needs ahead of your own and choose to deploy a "safety from covid" narrative which is an awful convenient fig leaf around xenophobia.

You brought up protestors which suggests to me that you're not coming from a place of having a reasonable argument. You've got your victim narrative, everything else be damned. I pity your inability to get out of the narrow republican talking points and I wish you luck getting to a more empathetic and genuine place of discourse.