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Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by chrisco255 »

Klinky wrote: post #85
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of the two examples I gave you, I can agree on one. People afraid to go to the ER could be considered a consequence of the pandemic - the lockdown doesn't say "Don't go to the ER if you need to". But lockdown did say "Don't make unnecessary trips to anywhere, not even the grocery store." Many of us interpreted that as avoiding unnecessary trips to the doctor also, which is why I for one have not had an annual physica…

"Don't make unnecessary trips" isn't the same as "don't see your doctor for necessary medical intervention". Call your doctor, find out what they recommend, and/or use Teledoc. Regardless, if there was no lockdown, and medical systems were overwhelmed, like in New York, would you have been able to see your doctor then? Would you have wanted to go to an overcrowded ER or Urgent Care and wait for hours surrounded by in…

In many states, they quite literally outlawed elective surgery, even where there wasn't a patient overload. And in some cases "elective" surgery are things like blood transfusions for leukemia. And then you also get late diagnosis of deadlier diseases like heart disease and lung cancer because people are afraid to go to the hospital.

I suspect the waiting room issue could be solved by queuing people up electronically and texting when they're ready to see you, while you wait in the car outside, to minimize exposure to other sick patients.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by chrisco255 »

monocasa wrote: post #121
1996 wrote: post #76

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> To be frank - that seems very selfish. No, it seems logical: if the elderly are at risk, by all means, let them shelter at home and give them money without destroying the economy (as the elderly as less likely to be employed). Even better, for old people who need to work, give them full pay every week, and just ask them in return to stay at home and use uber eats. But we didn't do that. Too bad: it would still have…

My 38 yo healthy coworker died from it. It's not just the elderly at risk.

In Texas, the 30-39 year old group accounts for 2% of all Covid-19 deaths. The 80+ bracket accounts for 40% of all deaths.

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#...

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by chrisco255 »

toiletfuneral wrote: post #26
maerF0x0 wrote: post #18

Back when this started I made the claim that the long term consequences of lock down would exceed the short term benefits . Depression, Drugs overdose, murder (despair), Suicide, extra sedentary issues leading to diabetese/CVD, loss of jobs/meaning et al. I havent seen anyone do the math of the uptick there to talk about the marginal benefit of lockdown or the fact that this, once again, is a form of biased benefit f…

my partner is a nurse so I just want to say fuck you

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/16/8741980... Look at the high cost of these lockdowns. Hundreds of millions jobless, poverty rising worldwide. Suicides and overdoses skyrocketing. There is a real trade-off and cost to these lockdowns that need to be considered.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by foogazi »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #79
Klinky wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those aren't consequences of the lockdown they're consequences of a pandemic .

Of the two examples I gave you, I can agree on one. People afraid to go to the ER could be considered a consequence of the pandemic - the lockdown doesn't say "Don't go to the ER if you need to". But lockdown did say "Don't make unnecessary trips to anywhere, not even the grocery store." Many of us interpreted that as avoiding unnecessary trips to the doctor also, which is why I for one have not had an annual physica…

Honestly both examples seem like more pandemic related

Maybe something like domestic violence/abuse cases could be more job/school lockdown related

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by foogazi »

gdubs wrote: post #115
nostromo wrote: post #83

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WHO has predicted hundreds of millions of people will risk starvation this year due to the economic ramifications of lockdowns. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/pandemic-could-mean-260-mi...

The lockdowns? The linked interview doesn’t mention lockdowns once — it talks about the effect of the pandemic . They go even further to say that it’s not so much money that’s the concern right now — it’s the supply chain. Critical, essential services aren’t being shutdown with lockdowns. They’re being shutdown because people are getting sick — like the food processing plants in the US, where people work in very clos…

Seeing a lot of comments doing the pandemic lockdown switch

We are in lockdown because of the pandemic. Half the people don’t care, the other half don’t want to get it - the economy is affected until those percentages budge

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by foogazi »

chrisco255 wrote: post #143
toiletfuneral wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

my partner is a nurse so I just want to say fuck you

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/16/8741980... Look at the high cost of these lockdowns. Hundreds of millions jobless, poverty rising worldwide. Suicides and overdoses skyrocketing. There is a real trade-off and cost to these lockdowns that need to be considered.

What about the benefit of a limited time two month shutdown a la New Zealand ?

With a national coherent strategy for testing, contact tracing, travel restrictions with enforced quarantines, establishment of green zones

We neither got a lockdown or a herd immunity strategy, everyone fending off for themselves

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by akvadrako »

foogazi wrote: post #145
gdubs wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lockdowns? The linked interview doesn’t mention lockdowns once — it talks about the effect of the pandemic . They go even further to say that it’s not so much money that’s the concern right now — it’s the supply chain. Critical, essential services aren’t being shutdown with lockdowns. They’re being shutdown because people are getting sick — like the food processing plants in the US, where people work in very clos…

Seeing a lot of comments doing the pandemic lockdown switch We are in lockdown because of the pandemic. Half the people don’t care, the other half don’t want to get it - the economy is affected until those percentages budge

That depends on what you mean by "because of". The pandemic is one factor that lead to the lockdown, but by itself it wasn't a sufficient condition; it was a free choice by politicians.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by foogazi »

drtillberg wrote: post #3

I'm cynical enough at this point to wonder whether the states will add these terrible losses to the COVID-19-related statistics to advocate for stricter and longer lock-downs.

Do you think states (or cities) WANT to lock down their population or impose curfews ?

What gives you that idea?

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by akvadrako »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #18

Back when this started I made the claim that the long term consequences of lock down would exceed the short term benefits . Depression, Drugs overdose, murder (despair), Suicide, extra sedentary issues leading to diabetese/CVD, loss of jobs/meaning et al. I havent seen anyone do the math of the uptick there to talk about the marginal benefit of lockdown or the fact that this, once again, is a form of biased benefit f…

Some people have down the math and it's pretty clear the lockdown will destroy more years of life then it can possibly save:

https://www.justfacts.com/news_covid-19_anxiety_lockdowns_li...

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Post by foogazi »

Jtsummers wrote: post #47
chrisco255 wrote: post #35

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Deaths are still on the way down in Georgia, one of the earliest states to re-open: https://ga-covid19.ondemand.sas.com/ I would say, excessive lockdowns are not effective at fighting the virus. You win a short term victory at the cost of your long term future. You can kick the can down the road, but as soon as you re-open, if you haven't achieved herd immunity, the virus will spike again. That's going to happen to a…

Deaths are down in GA, but cases are on the rise which means that deaths will probably start rising again over the next 2 weeks. They've had 3500 new cases just today.

Is there any data on what the 14 day trailing death rate looks like for the US?
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