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Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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I am really unsure if it's something "Germans" need to learn. It is probably something that could happen everywhere...

German regulators absolutely do have to learn that this isn't something that could only happens elsewhere.

I agree. But that’s very different from saying “The Germans”

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> They were satisfied with a clumsy fake audit certificate for 2 billion euros in a Philippine account! For how many companies EY did the same? How superficially do they check their customers? A lot. Like a lot a lot. The entire* commodities sector is built on promises like this. The entire shipping and freight sector. The entire commercial paper market. Its promises, redundancies, assurances, and credit. It usually…

But the commodities sector has entire organisations built around checking that cargo of cane sugar /coffee really is what it says what it is. Edited for spelling

> But the commodities sector has entire organisations built around checking that cargo of cane sugar /coffee really is what it says what it is.

Do the companies pick their own checkers?

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Well, the first half of it was a podcast about that trader. Then it abruptly shifts into ... I don't know what. A general talk about trust or something. It left me confused and unsatisfied.

Invisibilia is a podcast about emotions. The second half is fairly typical episode.

Many episodes of Invisibilia deal with similar topics as Hidden Brain. I find Hisden Brain better and think Invisibilia should be merged. I don’t like Invisibilia that much because it a lot about feelings and the talk is so much that I cannot grasp the main point of the discussion.

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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> They were satisfied with a clumsy fake audit certificate for 2 billion euros in a Philippine account! For how many companies EY did the same? How superficially do they check their customers? A lot. Like a lot a lot. The entire* commodities sector is built on promises like this. The entire shipping and freight sector. The entire commercial paper market. Its promises, redundancies, assurances, and credit. It usually…

But the commodities sector has entire organisations built around checking that cargo of cane sugar /coffee really is what it says what it is. Edited for spelling

See: Hin Leong Trading for a current example.

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I wonder how many companies in the world are basially built on warm words without any real value behind. I made the experience that a lot of people don't really care if a company has positive revenue streams anymore, they don't even know what a balance sheet is. They simply invest because other people do. And those other people invested because people before them did. This new style "invest billions now in a lossy st…

I have a relative in finance and he says this sort of issue is a lot more prevalent, it's just easier to hide when things are good. When times are bad it's more difficult so more get found out. But it's important to remember that people have been sounding the alarm about Wirecard for years and Worecard, the German government and German Finance Authority (BaFin) have gone after the short sellers and journalists who ha…

I would have almost said "blockchain"... But in all seriousness, if nobody bothered to cross-check 1.9 Bn in the Phillipines, even after all the reports hat came out, the Sigapore investigations and so on, even blockchain wouldn't have done a lot of good. One call at the Phillipines banks would have been enough...

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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I wonder how many companies in the world are basially built on warm words without any real value behind. I made the experience that a lot of people don't really care if a company has positive revenue streams anymore, they don't even know what a balance sheet is. They simply invest because other people do. And those other people invested because people before them did. This new style "invest billions now in a lossy st…

How can you find out about who is auditing a company?

For public U.S. companies, the annual shareholders' report (available on the company's web site) usually includes a letter signed by the auditors certifying that the reported financial results are accurate.

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A total of around $2B has simply "disappeared" -- as in, no one yet has been able to figure out what happened to it. I keep imagining a Monty Python-esque skit: "Was it stolen? We don't know." "Was it spent? We don't know." "Was it lent? We don't know." "Was it transferred? We don't know." "Was it burned? We don't know." Coincidentally, or maybe not, the company's last fictitious balance sheet, which was published in…

Hin Leong[0] is about to go the way of wirecard with a ’hole’ of mere $3B USD. I’ll hazard that we’re seeing only the firsts in a wave of [cooked up] companies imploding. [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/massive-forgery-helped-hide-3-b...

COVID-19, and the accompanying economic down turn has a, hopefully positive, side effect. it exposes all the fault lines, all the cracks and quite a few high level crooks. In business, finance, society. Let's keep fingers crossed that longterm effects aren't too severe.

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This is the second ceo who started to dress like steve jobs and became a fraud.

Should we be worried about Xiaomi? https://www.gizchina.com/2011/08/17/xiaomi-ceo-chinas-latest...

Based on more recent photos, it was just a phase. Maybe the company fixed its issues before it got caught?

Re: Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare

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But the commodities sector has entire organisations built around checking that cargo of cane sugar /coffee really is what it says what it is. Edited for spelling

See: Hin Leong Trading for a current example.

and by "massive forgery" it just means "normal forgery" but with a few extra zeroes typed in.

this is how the whole world works! on relationships and clout, not technology and verifications. everyone at the bottom has to deal with those pesky assurances of credibility. others are just getting random people with law degrees to provide attestations saying that their client's document is legitimate.

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