I like the name change. It’s shorter and makes more sense. If the current name affects many people in a negative way then I support the name change.
It doesn't. No one is offended by this.
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Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
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Austerity? Monks in cells? Really, none of that makes any sense? Hell, switching your Amazon account to one of those smile accounts will do more good than signalling.
>Austerity? Monks in cells? You're complaining about indulgence! You're saying that this change won't help people as much as something else. This is a fair criticism. Changing some technical term is probably not a optimally utilitarian use of resources. However, while you may be trying to live an optimally utilitarian life, the rest of us aren't. I can only speak for myself of course, but evaluating all my life's act…
No, I'm saying that it won't help people at all. Its an indulgence to make the person doing feel like they are doing something. It will not materially improve lives.
It would be fine if it just made them feel good, but it substitutes for efforts that would help. Its a personal indulgence taking energy from a system when more is needed. It also is a distraction from actual issues. Nothing is often better than something.
> However, while you may be trying to live an optimally utilitarian life, the rest of us aren't. I can only speak for myself of course, but evaluating all my life's actions on only that axis is too strict for me.
Yeah, this is wordplay that has nothing to do with me.
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They are hardly related. Will you be removing my master's degree next?
Oh that's the same thing. That indicates mastery over the material you studied. Knowledge has become subservient to you.
What about the master copy of a recording? That's what git's master is anyways.
Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
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Serious question: you're not the only person in this thread who feels this, and I genuinely don't understand it. Why is this so upsetting?
...because this is slacktivism lite. Rather than addressing actual issues facing african-americans today, we're engaging in silly naming changes that will have zero impact on 99.9% (optimistically) them ...because I don't want to be paying the externalities (workflow changes, having to keep up with the new "correct" naming) caused by a game of "who can be the most woke" between a vocal minority of progressives
Your first bullet is an argument against this change as being suboptimal. That there's a more optimally utilitarian use of the resources, which I get. The thing I don't get about this argument is that nothing Github (or any of us except for some weirdos) does is optimally utilitarian. They have a cartoon mascot! They don't _need_ that. You're not upset that they pay someone to draw Octocat, why be upset about this?
Your second bullet is an argument against this change from the position that it's an unasked for burden. In general, I get that. In the specific context of software engineering, it's a little more surprising. Tools, APIs, interfaces, terminology, etc... are in constant flux. Software has to be actively maintained to be kept functional. Software engineers have to always be learning in order to keep current. A vendor changing something like this is par for the course, right? Why such an extreme reaction?
Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
#145These kind of requests are super US-centric without any regards to the rest of the world. I understand these things stem from a place of discomfort with the racial crisis in the US - and I applaud the intentions. However, these requests are not inclusive to: - The foreigner in your team trying to think and communicate in English, while tip-toeing around whatever was deemed offensive this week on Twitter. - The develo…
I don't think anyone is going to get in trouble for saying that lol
The only reason someone would, is if they were repeatedly told "hey can you use this term instead?" but they kept using those intentionally to annoy others.
Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
#146This is just so damn pointless. It will cause some "great" controversy, people will be called white supremacists for refusing to stop saying master. Now even if this catches on, then yeah OK I'll start naming my branches as main unless I want to make a political statement, which would just add to confusion when developing. Meanwhile these people will pat each other on the back, yell "yeah! We sure made a difference."…
I love how this is making everyone mad at progressives. Not one progressive asked for this and not one progressive is going to call people white supremacists for using the word "master". Let's call a spade a spade and recognize that this was a big company trying to sound "woke" without doing anything.
Let’s pick a different idiom though
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763...
Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Austerity? Monks in cells? You're complaining about indulgence! You're saying that this change won't help people as much as something else. This is a fair criticism. Changing some technical term is probably not a optimally utilitarian use of resources. However, while you may be trying to live an optimally utilitarian life, the rest of us aren't. I can only speak for myself of course, but evaluating all my life's act…
No, I'm saying that it won't help people at all. Its an indulgence to make the person doing feel like they are doing something. It will not materially improve lives. It would be fine if it just made them feel good, but it substitutes for efforts that would help. Its a personal indulgence taking energy from a system when more is needed. It also is a distraction from actual issues. Nothing is often better than somethin…
You keep complaining about indulging! What's wrong with indulging in something every once in while?
Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
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No, I'm saying that it won't help people at all. Its an indulgence to make the person doing feel like they are doing something. It will not materially improve lives. It would be fine if it just made them feel good, but it substitutes for efforts that would help. Its a personal indulgence taking energy from a system when more is needed. It also is a distraction from actual issues. Nothing is often better than somethin…
You keep complaining about indulging! What's wrong with indulging in something every once in while?
If your indulging hurts others, then it is something worth complaining about.
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I don't think it's because people are offended at the use of the word master, in this case. I think, that it's symbolic. By making a point of getting rid of the word master, you're showing that black lives matter.
They are hardly related. Will you be removing my master's degree next?
Depeche Mode - Master and Servant is next
Re: GitHub is working on renaming default branch from “master”
#150Honest question: are there people out there who are legitimately uncomfortable/upset about the usage of the terms "master" and "slave" in the context of technology? Or is this more so people trying to be too socially "woke" and assuming something to be offensive when it is not? Master/slave are pretty commonly used terms whenever we talk about things like distributed systems and communication buses. Essentially every…
Yes, there are legitimately people who believe the master-slave terminology trivializes American slavery. They are mostly in the U.S. and probably a minority of programmers but they exist. But in this case, there's not even a slave branch.
I've never been a fan of master/slave when it comes to disks etc. although I thought renaming it was dumb (previously). Glad things are moving away from it. But this isn't master/slave, it's master/fork. Of course now that I think about it, main/fork or even better primary/fork sounds good to me.