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After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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Re: After 10 years in tech isolation, I’m now outsider to things I once had mastered

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The story seems off (temporally) for someone who got incarcerated circa 2010. Nothing very interesting has happened to technology since then.

That's only because you were there while the chances happened. You also didn't lose a good portion of your cognitive abilities due to spending 13 months in complete isolation. It's basically impossible to imagine skipping a decade and noticing the changes. Same way you cannot detect yourself or close friends and family ageing from day to day.

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I was ready to dismiss this as sour grapes, but ultimately he makes the point that maybe we're all out of touch with what's really going. The technology space is no longer transparent in ways it once was.

> I, too, used to steal users’ data. But it was a crime when I did it. Perhaps if I had sent them an ad or two it would have been less illegal?

Yikes.

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> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

North Korea is harsher

The US has more prisoners per capita than North Korea.

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I recently had someone in a restroom ask me how to flush the toilet. The toilets had IR sensors and flushed automatically. This person had been in prison for many years and had never seen that before. I think part of the social reform that people are protesting for recently needs to extend to people in prison. Our system does nothing to rehabilitate people or to prepare them to re-enter society. We need to treat pris…

So what is it that determines whether you end up on the black hat route? Is it an inherent flaw within or external circumstances?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessive for most non-violent crimes. you miss the point. prisons are a massive industry with serious lobbying clout. Putting lots of people in prison for a long time isn't a punishment to the prisoner, it's a gift to the prison system. The "punishment" is just a side effect, and the longer it lasts, the richer the people in power…

10 years of prison time for a single non-violent crime is extremely rare in America. What can happen in certain states, is that repeat offenders are hit with escalating prison terms each time they are convicted (the classic example are the three-strikes-your-out laws), whereby someone can be sentenced to a life term. In those cases, sentences don't translate to actual prison terms since non-violent offenders are rout…

Can those 'three strikes' happen as part of the same crime complex?

Not a perfect example, but let's say an addict robs someone on the street, buys a big score of her favorite drug and then sells some of that to an addict friend. Would that be considered three strikes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That distinction isn't relevant here. She had mens rea -- she knew she was voting . She didn't know she was breaking the law.

Fascinating to me that it is humanly impossible for any individual to remember ALL the laws yet ignorance of the law is not a defence. :)

I'm more upset that ignorance of the law IS a defense for police officers, whose job is to know it.

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> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

> I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessive for most non-violent crimes. you miss the point. prisons are a massive industry with serious lobbying clout. Putting lots of people in prison for a long time isn't a punishment to the prisoner, it's a gift to the prison system. The "punishment" is just a side effect, and the longer it lasts, the richer the people in power…

Yes definitely is more about making money than actually helping in reforming the inmates.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/08/11/139536686...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

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> "Caging me for a decade is not rehabilitating. I may be making excuses for myself, though there is a lesson that could have been learned with the same amount of value for justice if the sentence was 2 years, 3 years, 5 years, even 6 years." From the article at: https://forklog.media/ex-convicted-hacker-ghostexodus-severi... I don't consider myself a bleeding heart lib but I think that a decade in prison is excessiv…

Isn't the punishment a way to stop people from trying to commit a crime? Because you seem to be focusing on the outcome/consequences of someone that committed a crime and got caught. It's not like the punishment is the result of "bad luck" or "unexpected circumstances", it was a deliberate conscious action, right? Also some of these actions aren't a burst of irrationality and poor thought process - they are planned a…

> Isn't the punishment a way to stop people from trying to commit a crime?

Harsh punishment fosters resentment.

Isolation is a form of torture.

Cutting off prisoners from society makes reintegration and rehabilitation difficult.

A person who is incapable of participating in society is going to be pushed to the fringes and will more than likely become a drain on society rather than a contributor.

Severity is a huge factor. We don't really have a gradient of consequences, and much of what we do have is limited to privileged individuals. When was the last time you heard of a nonviolent drug offender being given the option to serve his sentence over weekends or in a minimum security facility?

Unless you're a wealthy elite with a very expensive team of lawyers, you're going to "Pound me in the ass Prison". We even make jokes about how extreme the conditions are in our prisons and use those poor conditions as deterrent.

On top of that, we've privatized our prisons so the operators are constantly looking for opportunities to profit. In the post the author talks about per minute charges for email. Some prisons no longer allow face-to-face visitation and instead require the use of video conferencing technology that costs money. Beyond nickle and diming inmates, they're reducing staffing and quality of everything to save as much money as possible. That in itself is punishing torture.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it really changed that much in 10 years, or is part of it just the sense of alienation everyone experiences getting out of jail after a long time? I mean, 10 years ago people lamented over the exact same thing; and before that, and before the before. I can't prove it of course, but I'd bet you might feel that "human interaction" is not quite what you remember it to be if you had only just spent 10 years behind th…

10 years ago, the iPhone had only existed for 3 years... society was much different.

Ten years ago "looking at a cellphone" was still universal shorthand for "is a dick" in fiction. So was "talking to no-one" (bluetooth headset) which carried a further meaning of "business douche" ("carries a cellphone at all" was shorthand for this for most of the 90s—see the movie Hook for an early example). Both are normal and common now.

Ten years ago much of the population still considered paying any attention whatsoever—any—to a cellphone in the company of others, maybe unless it actually rang (remember phone calls that weren't spam?), to be incredibly rude.

All that changed very fast over the following 5 years or so.

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This bit at the end was the most interesting to me. "For me, I stepped out into an uncertain future. I don’t really see meaningful human interaction anymore. I see a society that is impossibly distracted by likes and selfies, smartphones, and similar technologies, and I often find it frustrating to find my place in the midst of this new interconnected world simply because I was not there to naturally evolve with it."

Has it really changed that much in 10 years, or is part of it just the sense of alienation everyone experiences getting out of jail after a long time? I mean, 10 years ago people lamented over the exact same thing; and before that, and before the before. I can't prove it of course, but I'd bet you might feel that "human interaction" is not quite what you remember it to be if you had only just spent 10 years behind th…

> 10 years ago people lamented over the exact same thing; and before that, and before the before.

Is the logic there that if people have complained about something frequently in the past then it's not true? On the scale of human history 100 years is a blip so it's quite possible that for many periods of 10 years things people can observe troubling patterns and in fact a problem can be compounding over time.

People complained about racism and mistreatment of blacks in America 10 years ago, and 10 years before that etc etc. Is your logic that we don't have a problem with racism?

People have complained that destruction of our ecosystem is getting worse, and they did 10 years ago, and 10 years before that etc, etc. Would you really argue that "therefore it's no big deal"?

13 years ago there was no iphone, 13 years before that basically no one used the WWW, 13 years before that virtually no one had personal computers. Now you can disagree about whether the effects of change are good or bad, but communication the fact that communication has changed rapidly in 30+ years is not something that can be argued and is hardly just a fact of human life throughout history.

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