A collection of videos of police brutality • Hacker News Board

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by Hamuko » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:51 PM UTC

h3cate wrote: post #126

jorblumesea wrote: post #73

Is the issue with police brutality a lack of evidence? Not trolling, legitimately asking this. It feels like every year some viral video comes out where police do something horrible, it feels like little progress has been made on the issue. Is it simply a visibility problem?

The way I see it, a viral video pops up and there's outrage then two weeks later we're onto the next outrage. I am guilty of this myself and this is why I think it is important to collect this so it isn't forgotten.

>I am guilty of this myself

Aren't you the wrong person to catalogue this stuff then?

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by nullc » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

arkadiyt wrote: post #67

Site seems to be down so I can't check if these are already submitted, but here are some: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/126694270336910540... https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944 https://twitter.com/stephenjadler…

> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491

I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department.

Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by PhaedrusV » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

zabeltech wrote: post #118

zabeltech wrote: post #38

not saying there is no value in this initiative, just a reminder, that a camera always hides more than it shows - unknown unnowns etc...

I dont know why this gets downvoted so much. Let me elaborate: i have witnessed Police brutality first hand. Even here where we dont go through much of the authoritarian training americans are used to, i.e christian churches with heavy influence - here religion is merely a nostalgic thing. I know also that even here victims of Police brutality basically have No Chance of retaliation. That beeing said, a video that lo…

Here you go. Video of cop shooting a guy in the back as he ran away, then planting a gun on him. The officer didn't know the event was filmed, and filed a wholly false police report on the subject.

https://youtu.be/XKQqgVlk0NQ

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by 3wolf » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

Lariscus wrote: post #127

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #95

Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working

Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.

They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy:

Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a localized area. (This already exists)

Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could see this being a parental control)

Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by baddox » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #114

raz32dust wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did some digging around for this info, and I think this is important. In 2018, 55 police officers were murdered in the line of duty [1]. In the same year, police officers shot 995 people to death [2]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/05/08/the-nu... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...

Yep and how many people did the murderers kill each year? https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders... 16,000+ in 2018. Now run the numbers on how many murders there would be with no police.

How many instances of police stopping a murder can you think of?

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by quickthrower2 » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:52 PM UTC

pstuart wrote: post #21

Tangentially related: anybody have links for good op-sec guides for creating a site that might make dangerous people pissed off?

Twitter seems to be doing a good job.

Maybe you don't create a site, but resurface the content on different social media.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by lisper » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:53 PM UTC

Lariscus wrote: post #127

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #95

Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working

Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.

If it was a choice between following the order and being out of a job? Not very, particularly since your sacrifice would almost certainly be in vain.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by mr_spothawk » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:53 PM UTC

Lariscus wrote: post #127

alfiedotwtf wrote: post #95

Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working

Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.

imagine being able to turn your boss over to authorities and trusting that you wouldn't be retaliated against.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by libraryofn » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:53 PM UTC

If you're actually trying to fix a problem, there are better ways to go about it.

Why not try to build evidence to determine the reality of the situation? There is nothing honest or good about building a one-sided repository that serves only to confirm political dogma.

What if a fair judgement of the evidence shows that black police officers treat black people no better than white police officers? What if white police officers treat black people better than black police officers on average?

Of course, I'm sure someone biased enough can invent an explanation for any contrary evidence. But the of the situation might be very different from the current propaganda.

Regardless of the policing data, the root cause is unarguably a fundamentally economic problem.

Poverty is synonymous with violence. Policing is synonymous with violence.

By turning a class problem (rich people stealing/rigging the system) into a racial issue (white people are bad and should feel bad) you're doing the bidding of the rich people that want to prevent revolutionary economic reform.

Edit: Flagged in 60 seconds. There is no way this comment violates the HN guidelines. If you disagree, just downvote, don't abuse the flagging system.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by corrupt_measure » Sun, May 31, 2020, 10:54 PM UTC

Genuine unprovoked and unnecessary police brutality incidents are incredibly rare (relative to all police interactions) and hardly an epidemic. When someone is breaking the law and resisting arrest the police have no choice but to be violent with the resistor. Unfortunately these incidents often get categorized as "police brutality" when they're really just a necessary use of force.

More broadly, the entire narrative of police brutality and killings of minorities is basically nonsense. When controlling for violent encounters with police and crimes committed, blacks (armed and unarmed) are actually less likely to be killed by police than whites.

Sites like this and an irresponsible media simply exaggerate the issue and needlessly inflame tensions without providing proper and necessary context.