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I'm glad that the space age has been rekindled. I wish Europe would do something similar.

Thinking of Europe, I have a feeling that it's just surreal that this launch is happening in America at the same time with the events in Minneapolis

There is an eerie echo of history here. The late 60's were the height of civil unrest in modern America. Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. were assassinated as Apollo astronauts were preparing to land on the moon.

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It is hard to convey how "sustainable" this feels to me. For the first time, humans have gone into orbit in a spacecraft that was designed from the ground up to be a commercial venture. All of the NASA missions prior to this have an ambience of "uneconomical but useful". Even the shuttle, which was supposed to be this cost effective space truck, turned out to be not even close. And the last thing I'm feeling is the a…

Not to detract one iota from this amazing achievement, but what definition of sustainable are you thinking of? This was still paid for by the government.

Yes, the government paid to develop crew dragon. And they buy launch services which is another source of revenue.

The government paid for Apollo. And once they decided they no longer wanted it, it became impossible to use Apollo parts, technology, or any of the engineers or technicians to put people into orbit. The capability "vanished."

If the government never bought another ticket to space, Crew Dragon could be made available to people who want to go into space and are willing to pay for a ticket. So even if NASA got defunded completely tomorrow, the ability to go into space would still be there. Because the market for space, when served in an economic way, is self sustaining.

This has never been true before, and now it is. That is my definition of sustainable.

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It is hard to convey how "sustainable" this feels to me. For the first time, humans have gone into orbit in a spacecraft that was designed from the ground up to be a commercial venture. All of the NASA missions prior to this have an ambience of "uneconomical but useful". Even the shuttle, which was supposed to be this cost effective space truck, turned out to be not even close. And the last thing I'm feeling is the a…

Not to detract one iota from this amazing achievement, but what definition of sustainable are you thinking of? This was still paid for by the government.

They didn't have to buy a full rocket! It's a huge cost reduction when you can reuse the expensive part and pay for fuel+maintenance.

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Do they have to stay seated & buckled the whole 19 hours? Dare I ask how they eat or go to the bathroom on the 19 hour trip?

No, there's room for them to get "up" and take their suits off. Eating is no problem, the food is basically MREs. There is a toilet.

>> they could have anything that doesn't create crumbs

Would you get a reference to M&Ms? I know SpaceShip1 was 16 years ago now. How time flies.

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I would expect Elon to push really hard to send something to Mars in 2022 aboard Starship, even if it's just an empty ship. They need to try navigating with precision and landing. It's a 2 year delay if they miss that window.

They could continue the tradition and drop a Cybertruck to Mars.

well, if adapted for Mars conditions that dropped Cybetruck would be very useful for the landed crew of the next mission. The Mars trucks are going to be electric, not ICE :)

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It is hard to convey how "sustainable" this feels to me. For the first time, humans have gone into orbit in a spacecraft that was designed from the ground up to be a commercial venture. All of the NASA missions prior to this have an ambience of "uneconomical but useful". Even the shuttle, which was supposed to be this cost effective space truck, turned out to be not even close. And the last thing I'm feeling is the a…

Not to detract one iota from this amazing achievement, but what definition of sustainable are you thinking of? This was still paid for by the government.

How does something being paid for by the government relate to it being sustainable? Our roads are paid for by the government too - and those are sustainable. So are lots of other things, like basic science research, healthcare in most countries, etc, all of which is sustainable in being paid by government.

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I would expect Elon to push really hard to send something to Mars in 2022 aboard Starship, even if it's just an empty ship. They need to try navigating with precision and landing. It's a 2 year delay if they miss that window.

They could continue the tradition and drop a Cybertruck to Mars.

I'd imagine they'd probably send a modified cybertruck with some non-perishable supplies of some kind in the hope that there'll be some useful supplies on the planet for future missions even if stuff doesn't go smoothly.
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