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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kfrzcode »

JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

Edit: I'm wrong, the video I had seen was slightly abridged.

The video camera turns on while they were (likely) already told they will be arrested. They were perhaps ordered to move and did not move. The National Guard and state troopers in that particular area (Downvoters: please add comment why, or else this isn't discourse

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by aljg »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #80
snazz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm a resident of the Minneapolis suburbs) At this point, from some of my friends in the city, it sounds like there just isn't much oversight at all---they've now been caught on video taking guns from people with valid licenses and now arresting the press. I don't think that we can effectively apply logic when the police system seems so disorganized.

These seem like flagrant violations of constitutional rights; I would be interested to hear from a lawyer what kind of legal liability the police (as a department and as individual bad-apple officers) are opening themselves up to by behaving this way. Hopefully justice is served and constitutional rights are protected.

I don't believe they are opening themselves up to any legal liability. See [1] and links for a disturbing list of recent examples of police receiving qualified immunity. One example from the article:

> On May 18, the court turned away three of these appeals, including a jaw-dropping case in which police were granted qualified immunity after literally stealing $225,000. (There is no clearly established right not to be robbed by cops, the court held.)

[1] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/george-floyd-sup...

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by josephorjoe »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

that is some bizarre and creative whataboutism

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by st1ck »

tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

I wonder if it's also a sexism. Public exposure is usually more acceptable for women than men.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kindatrue »

pionar wrote: post #137
monocasa wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. > What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? None > Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? No punis…

> Cops can hold you for some amount of time, generally around 24 hours without cause. This is simply not true. Police may not keep you detained if they do not have probable cause or reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime. However, in real life, they do this sometimes, even though it's been ruled unconstitutional. They do occasionally face repercussions. Thousands of civil rights lawsuits are settled qui…

They also depend on citizens not having the financial or time resources to sue.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by tinyhouse »

Miner49er wrote: post #139
tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is. > We should support good police officers and not assume all are bad and racist. There is no such thing as a non-racist or good police officer. The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist.

What drugs are you on? What's the alternative you're suggesting then? Are you saying we don't need police and everyone can just own a gun and defend themselves when they need to?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by throwaway894345 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #133
throwaway894345 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's become clear time and again that they never open themselves up to actual liability. I understand that the criminal justice system is very often lenient on police officers, and I'm strongly in favor of increased police accountability; however, there are still many cases of police officers going to prison and departments/municipalities being sued for police misconduct, so to say that there is no actual liability…

We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken. The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find ourselves in. When they can kill someone who isn't a threat, on camera, and face no consequences, why…

> We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken.

I don't doubt this, but I don't see how you get from there to "there is no liability at all".

> The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find ourselves in.

I'm not sure what you mean by "anyone from inside the government is called for an investigation"; do you mean you don't think police officers in these situations are never or rarely investigated, charged, etc? Or are you speaking about some other government official (and if so, I don't know what you're talking about specifically or how it relates to this broader conversation about liability).

> When they can kill someone who isn't a threat, on camera, and face no consequences, why would we expect them to face consequences for something like a frivolous arrest?

Your premise is wrong. A quick Google search turned up this collection of police department settlements[0] and this collection of police officers[1] charged in recent, high-profile killings.

Note that there is a middle ground between "there is no accountability" and "the system is working just fine"--we absolutely should increase police accountability, but "there is no liability/accountability" isn't accurate or helpful.

[0]: https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/1712-police-settl...

[1]: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cases-police-officers-ch...

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by bsenftner »

phkahler wrote: post #131
epistasis wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the level of impunity of "I am the law" instead of laws being laws, has taken over far too many in the police department. The level of police misconduct that's been captured in camera in the last few days is disturbing. There's always one police officer that rushes into a peaceful situation, from behind, and starts violence. This sort of assault on humans is taken to be their responsibility, apparently, and a…

>> all the rest of the police stand idly by as one of those in their uniforms commits acts of violence against peaceful people. That seems to be the problem. It's not so much that one gets out of hand, it's that they don't police themselves. If they want to stop it they'll have to begin with the smaller digressions - like speeding or illegal parking when there's no reason for it. Stop your bro from thinking he's abov…

We need stronger whistle blower protections, laws and incentives. The only people who can police the police are the police. So society needs to create the situation where the incentives to police themselves reward them greater than the current corrupt, immature and racist rewards they reap today.
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