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Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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It's the parents' job to teach kids how to tell junk food from healthy food; predatory apps from apps which add value; "you're the product" from "you're consuming the product". I do this with my kid, and technology is a boon for her. However, most adults aren't qualified to make the distinction between good and evil, so their kids suffer too.

Lots of “teaching” is literally excluding from consumption for young kids. Parents know better than their kids, why entrust that kind of advanced decision making within them?

> why entrust that kind of advanced decision making within them?

Because then there's a hope that they'll actually learn the underlying principle and make similar decisions in situations where someone else is not directly in control of their behavior.

There are kids who don't get to eat ice cream before dinner at home because that's the rule, who will happily do so when over at someone else's house without their parents around to enforce that rule. Then there are kids who actually understand why they shouldn't eat ice cream before dinner, who will decline to do so even if they have the opportunity. (That doesn't mean they'll exercise perfect judgment every time, but then, there's also no guarantee they'll follow rules that aren't being enforced.)

It's important to develop the critical thinking skills to filter out "junk food" content.

(To clarify: I'm not talking about children too young to understand the concept, I'm talking about children more than old enough to make such decisions in an informed way. Roughly speaking, think 12, not 3.)

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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Some good tips to prevent myopia:

- 30/30/30 rule: Every 30 minutes look at something 30 feet away for 30 seconds

- Take regular walks outside: it will lower your blood pressure, and expose your eyes to violet light

- ensure brightness of environment closely matches brightness of screen to prevent eye strain

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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Hardly. Scratch most topics past the surface level and if you're lucky the Web can find you the book you need. Usually though you'll need to find the best book the Web can find you, then use that book and/or correspondence with experts to find the ones you actually need. The problem seems to be a mix of tons of stuff just not being on the Web yet, even decades in (some of it's in ebooks, though, yes, but a whole lot…

Thirty years ago you couldn't scratch past the surface of more than a few dozen topics based on your local library's availability, if you were lucky to have a decent one to begin with. Between libgen, scihub, Google Books, Project Gutenberg, torrent sites, and the rest of the internet we've got access to almost all of the world's knowledge for free with plenty of avenues to interact with experts using a variety of di…

Making piracy easy has been super-helpful. Libgen doesn't have (anywhere near) everything but it's great for surveying a field and picking up some portion of the must-have resources.

> access to almost all of the world's knowledge for free

I'd guess we've got access to ~10% of it (but it's a good 10%!) for free, ~30% paid (but usually piratable!), and the remainder unavailable as a paid electronic resource but maybe (often not) as a paid paper one and maybe (often not) available pirated—maybe you can at least locate or learn of its existence with the Web, but possibly it's totally unknown to the Web outside of maybe a reference in some books that happen to be digitized (this does actually happen, though you do usually have to get a little obscure before it does, but sometimes not as obscure as one might think).

[EDIT] to be clear I think the Web is an excellent research tool, however an awful lot of its value in that role is from piracy (saving me, say, having to inter-library-loan or buy a book just to find the books that book name-drops in its preface, or to read one relevant chapter, or to see the book's index so I can find out whether I need it in the first place). I think its containing anything like "all the world's knowledge", even for liberal values of "all", is far from true, and there's a risk of thinking if something exists it's probably available as a digital resource delivered over the Web (far from true), and if it doesn't then surely it's at least possible to find out about its existence on the Web (also not true), and if neither of those are true it must be something of no value whatsoever to anyone or wildly obscure (not true).

[EDIT EDIT] then even if it is on the web, it can be really hard to find something that's not on one of a few major sites using search. More so than it used to be. It can take so damn long that pirating and reading a book on the topic on Libgen can be faster than finding the same info on the open web, even if it's there, which is pretty damning of the state of web indexing. As I wrote in another comment on this thread, it was once possible to be fairly sure when one had reached the edge of Google's knowledge and the thing you're looking for was not in its index—such certainty is now almost impossible, mostly because of how Google search (and seemingly all other web search tools) has changed, not because of increased total content.

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardly. Scratch most topics past the surface level and if you're lucky the Web can find you the book you need. Usually though you'll need to find the best book the Web can find you, then use that book and/or correspondence with experts to find the ones you actually need. The problem seems to be a mix of tons of stuff just not being on the Web yet, even decades in (some of it's in ebooks, though, yes, but a whole lot…

Thirty years ago you couldn't scratch past the surface of more than a few dozen topics based on your local library's availability, if you were lucky to have a decent one to begin with. Between libgen, scihub, Google Books, Project Gutenberg, torrent sites, and the rest of the internet we've got access to almost all of the world's knowledge for free with plenty of avenues to interact with experts using a variety of di…

Proportionally, it might not be much better today. Maybe 1/100,000 books is exactly the piece of information you need. Certainly the rest of the books aren't total crap either, they at least passed that bar of getting the book published and making some sense. I wouldn't be surprised if the signal to noise ratio on the internet today wasn't 1/billion web pages with all the automatic SEO crap and misinformation out there today. The sites and resources you listed are popular in tech circles, but are not mainstream at all. Then again if they were, they probably wouldn't exist as we know them, if at all.

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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This article is about the effects of eye strain, not the overall mental health of looking at content on a screen. With that in mind, what is it about a screen (emitted light) that is worse than outdoors reflect light? One item I can think of, is that looking at something with reflected natural light, the iris contracts based on the total amount of light hitting it. Whereas a screen may be brighter than the ambient li…

Screens are optimized for energy efficiency, so their emissions are restricted to a narrow range of visible frequencies. They don’t even really cover the whole range of colors, but mix them by combining RGB, which isn’t the real thing. Eg you can make something looking like violet light by mixing blue and red, but it’s not the same thing as the „real“ violet.

Sunlight, however, is a wild mix of broadband EM emissions across basically the whole spectrum, as you‘d expect from a glowing ball of plasma (halogen bulbs are actually similar in that regard, they need and do have a UV filter). About a third of the sun’s emitted energy hits the earth’s surface as near infrared light, and then there is UV etc.

Near infrared light is very beneficial, the mitochondria in our cells can increase their energy output as a direct consequence of receiving photons in that frequency range. There are lots of studies that showed improvement of many health conditions following near infrared or red light therapy. I wouldn’t be surprised if NIR light helped prevent myopia too.

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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So a few minutes ago I wrote code for a company, producing economic value. Last night I kept up with family, maintaining healthy personal relationships. Right now I'm engaging in intellectual discussion of major issues with other people. And last night I watched an episode of Mr. Robot, engaging my brain with a stimulating story. And yes, sometimes I just look at animal gifs on imgur. I see no problem continuing any…

How much of that time was caring for your eye health so you don't go blind early?

This seems quite sensationalist.

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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Due to the changing nature of the web I'd even say that the sum total of useful information is actually decreasing year over year. I believe we hit an inflection point a decade or more ago when the number of people with specialized knowledge and skills who were publishing information about their domain online was surpassed by the new "content creators" whose primary goal was to optimize for clicks and ad revenue. Thi…

Even if the content creators overwhelm the rest of the crowd now, you can still find experts and their content continues to pile up. For example, iq of internet graphics is still adding incredible content to his site 10 years later. https://iquilezles.org/ . He's not the only example of this. There may be a higher noise to quality ratio, but the quality content is still growing, you just have to get better at tuning…

Discoverability is still hard when noise increases by the day, and search engines have become useless to find anything meaningful that isn't playing the SEO game.

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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You started out I was expecting you to be very liberal with 'screen time', especially agreeing with the GP who seemed the same. But: > The rule in our house is that you can't use a screen if the sun is up unless it's a weekend I think that's actually limiting screentime more than most US households, you aren't actually on the "no need to limit screentime" side at all!

It's important to note that we are night owls. The kids have TV basically from 7pm (when I turn on Jeopardy regardless of sunset) until they go to bed around 11pm. And during the current situation, sometimes they go to bed around 1-3am. So they actually get a lot more screen time than most of their peers.

Yeah, we've shifted to later as well, I'm a night owl by inclination, the boy seems to be as well, he'll crash from 3am til 12pm then get up.

Given he's happy I'm not rocking that boat.

Re: Average adult will spend 34 years of their life staring at screens

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Well, personally I don't sit staring at a screen, I watch movies, play games, talk to people, build stuff and learn new things. You wouldn't say reading a book is "staring at paper" would you?

I really wish this was discussed more often. As a parent, I am constantly bombarded with people telling me I should limit my kids' "screen time." Generational skepticism of new technology is played out. Can we move on yet?

There's a really interesting book called Digital Dementia that describes effects of modern digital tools on our brain. I'm not saying it's 100% correct, but interesting read nevertheless.
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