Flight Attendants and Covid-19 • Hacker News Board

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#141

Post by dannyw » Sun, May 10, 2020, 2:48 AM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #39

dannyw wrote: post #14

All I can think of reading this article is someone else overly panicking over ‘rona’. Look at the statistics yourself: as someone under the age of 65, your chances of dying even after catching it is negligible. It’s a rounding error. The younger you are, the more harmless it is to you. Yes, you can pass it along to other people, those older and actually at risk. But thinking YOU are at risk is a myth.

That's a somewhat narrow view of the disease. There's an awful lot we don't know about the long term impacts of the disease, about what else it is doing to the body along the way. So far we only know about the immediate effects. To be clear: I'm not panicking or living in fear, just keeping firmly in mind that there's likely more we don't know than do know about it.

Given how infectious it is and how we can’t keep the economy closed for 18 months until we have a vaccine (we work in tech, we might be a bit distant but a quarter of my friends are unemployed right now), and how these job losses disproportionately affect the poor, the young, and minorities; reality is outside of maybe New Zealand; we are all going to herd immunity.

Or maybe not. Georgia reopened 3 weeks ago. Any jumps in cases? No.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#142

Post by em-bee » Sun, May 10, 2020, 5:10 AM UTC

Zigurd wrote: post #75

checker659 wrote: post #3

> The days of carefree travel are long gone. I've been digging up videos of people from the early 1920s and I see very little impact of the Spanish Flu on people's mannerisms even just within a year or two after (like no masks in the streets even though mask wearing was apparently a big thing during the pandemic). Just the other day, I was reading up on Charlie Chaplin. Looking at his filmography, I noticed a a gap o…

There are several simultaneous misperceptions I see: First, noted in the article, is a false sense of security. If the Secret Service in the White House can have an outbreak, any workplace can have an outbreak. The pandemic has yet to hit large swathes of the planet, but it will probably do so before a vaccine is available. This is really, really bad, and will be until there is some substantial change. Third is a sen…

distance learning is absolutely not working. parents need to work and can't let their kids stay home alone. nor can they get work done if they want to work from home with kids around.

yes, this is solveable, but it will take time. the pandemic needs to rage for several more years before a change in behavior can be normalized

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#143

Post by gvjddbnvdrbv » Sun, May 10, 2020, 11:05 AM UTC

ianlevesque wrote: post #130

gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen a car seat on a plane. We flew multiple times with ours on our laps.

Sure, you can also not wear seatbelts or bike helmets. It’s a free country.

Actually seat belts are a legal requirement here.

A child seat on a plane is an illusion of safety. If the plane crashes it won't help. The only reason to bring one into the cabin (and it is a good reason) is if you need one where you are going.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#144

Post by H8crilA » Sun, May 10, 2020, 12:48 PM UTC

dannyw wrote: post #139

H8crilA wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

50% of ICU patients have clotting problems, including strokes, but mostly damage to lower limbs. 30% of ICU patients experience kidney problems and require a consultation with a nephrologist or dialysis. It's not as simple as "all good" vs "death". PS: source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-hijacks-the-body-fr...

These numbers don’t account for the age distribution. It’s not reasonable to say “25% of those going to ICUs are under 50” (chances are this is probably 23% 40-45; btw), and “50% of those in ICU have clotting problems”, so “25% x 50% = 12.5%”.

True. Note that I did not perform those multiplications because I agree that the interpretation of the results is highly speculative in nature, and can lead to possibly very incorrect conclusions. The point is like I stated: the end result is not a simple resolution between complete success or death.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#145

Post by ianlevesque » Sun, May 10, 2020, 1:40 PM UTC

gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #143

ianlevesque wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you can also not wear seatbelts or bike helmets. It’s a free country.

Actually seat belts are a legal requirement here. A child seat on a plane is an illusion of safety. If the plane crashes it won't help. The only reason to bring one into the cabin (and it is a good reason) is if you need one where you are going.

It prevents your child from turning into a projectile during heavy turbulence.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#146

Post by chippy » Sun, May 10, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #10

Humans continuously invent their "normals". There was no "old normal" and there won't be a "new normal". Already, different countries and regions have different cultures, histories, responses and outcomes. If anything, their future societies are diverging as a result of conscious choices and actions by humans exercising creative will.

TSA and security theatre became "normal".

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#147

Post by citrin_ru » Mon, May 11, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

checker659 wrote: post #3

> The days of carefree travel are long gone. I've been digging up videos of people from the early 1920s and I see very little impact of the Spanish Flu on people's mannerisms even just within a year or two after (like no masks in the streets even though mask wearing was apparently a big thing during the pandemic). Just the other day, I was reading up on Charlie Chaplin. Looking at his filmography, I noticed a a gap o…

I hope that travel will be a norm again, but what have changed since 1920s - nowadays practically zero risk during air travel is a baseline expectation. It looks like the last couple of generations are much more risk averse than any previous generation.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#148

Post by owenmarshall » Tue, May 12, 2020, 1:42 AM UTC

gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #143

ianlevesque wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you can also not wear seatbelts or bike helmets. It’s a free country.

Actually seat belts are a legal requirement here. A child seat on a plane is an illusion of safety. If the plane crashes it won't help. The only reason to bring one into the cabin (and it is a good reason) is if you need one where you are going.

https://www.faa.gov/travelers/fly_children/

> Did you know that the safest place for your child on an airplane is in a government-approved child safety restraint system (CRS) or device, not on your lap? Your arms aren't capable of holding your child securely, especially during unexpected turbulence.

> The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) strongly urges you to secure your child in a CRS or device for the duration of your flight