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I used to get called a 10x developer, I was also called a rockstar and a ninja and a 100x dev and every other compliment that was hip. Then I hit 30. That type of talk stopped. Then I hit 40. Now I will not be considered for any entry level, mid level, or senior level software dev job anywhere in the United States, despite being very desperate and willing to relocate for anything. Doesn't matter. Too old. I'm suppose…

I keep hearing that it's like this in the US. In the UK I don't know anyone in their 40s struggling to find software developer jobs in the UK! I'm almost 40 and are constantly getting harassed by recruiters. My mate in his 60s not long ago got hired for a software developer role, and easily at that. Two interviews and he got an offer. Another mate near 40 stepped back from manager type role into a developer role, and…

"Cultural fit"

SV start-ups need bright shiny twenty-somethings for their "About us" pages and their IG lifestyle feed, with a few wise old thirty-somethings to ride herd on them.

It leaves room for the forty-something and fifty-something VCs to do what they enjoy, which is pretending to be the team coach.

Put in some wrinkly old guys - or worse, some old women - and there goes your brand identity.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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There is so much that is wrong with this.

Follow this advise only if you are currently employed and your employment is extremely safe because your employer is deemed essential or because they are financial strong in the current economy. For everybody else very carefully consider why an employer should hire you when the current economy is failing, programmers generally are very expensive and add very little value to the employer's revenue, and why you are a better value than the other 1000 developers that were just laid off. The economy is never going to be the same and the common suspicion moving forward is that software hiring/practice will also change to compensate.

The article opens with having kids and so they cannot work more than 8 hours a day in a specified time slot. This is an absence of ambition and nothing else. Work-life balance takes some figuring out, which isn't avoidance. I have two white-collar careers in unrelated industries and kids. I have time for both jobs, coding on the side, spending time with my kids, helping my wife prepare dinner, and so forth. I am not unique with this regard.

The bit about How to do Javascript is really bad advise. This is largely the story of my career in the corporate world as a JavaScript developer. The employer is mostly a Java shop because Java developers are easy to find since they are effectively mass-produced by universities. The Java developers have absolutely no idea what to do with any aspect of web technologies aside from Spring MVC. JavaScript is required by the business, so the Java developer fake it until they make it. They still have no idea what they are doing then give up and require a framework. Epic fail. Any other industry would call that an ethics violation, negligence, and that path would land you in a law suit or possibly in jail depending upon the product/industry.

> So we went with vanilla JQuery.

That makes me cry. The programming section is followed by a section on testing that almost makes me angry. Many of the use cases provided for writing tests explicitly mention low confidence on the part of the developer. Horrible advice. The things to test are features and use cases. The software does all that it promises or it doesn't and there should be enough automation to prove that. How you go about that depends upon the product.

The security speaks like somebody who has absolutely no idea what security is. When you have absolutely no idea what security is or why the company would spend so much money on it I too would think everything about it is draconian and worthless. So many software developers seem to think they are well versed in security despite having no such experience, education, practice, interest, or credibility and I have never understood why.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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I've been a developer for about 3 years now. This is probably my own fault, but I feel pressured to be constantly doing something towards programming. I feel like I should either be reading a book or starting a project. I have 10+ programming books where I just finished reading one of them and I have way more unfinished projects than I could count. It's reassuring to see the push-back against the 10x developer idea,…

A 1x developer at one of the tier 1 tech companies is...just a 1x developer - doesn't really matter where you're at. Being a multiplier is not about just being technically proficient. It's about enabling your whole team to be more productive, and help getting to the right decisions, instead of decisions that might cost your team or coworkers huge amounts of extra work long term.

> Being a multiplier is not about just being technically proficient. It's about enabling your whole team to be more productive, and help getting to the right decisions, instead of decisions that might cost your team or coworkers huge amounts of extra work long term.

Thank you for this comment! I'll keep this in mind as I progress through my career. It's nice to know that it isn't just about being technical.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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> PHP is banned at Amazon due to security reasons, but its successor, Hack, runs a lot of.. Just to be clear, Hack is not PHP's successor. Hack is a fork of PHP developed by Facebook. Hack will not overtake PHP any time soon. PHP has had security issues in the past. Sure you can do stupid things with it if you want, but modern PHP is security conscious out of the box. Frameworks like Laravel make great default choice…

A small question. Is PHP still a preferred platform for any sort of complex web development? I have never even looked at the php site or docs, but I am curious. In this day and age, is there a subset of Apps that PHP is suited for?

The hatred against PHP seems to be coming from the people that only know the old days of the language and haven't checked it recently. I'd say PHP is quite relevant for any kind of web-apps these days; the language has evolved greatly in many fields, you have a huge community and there are tons of libraries to get anything done. Especially with Laravel, you can get a fully-functioning web application with a full auth flow in a few minutes.

There are places where you might want to think twice about using PHP; especially with cloud-native stuff, I see that there are many libraries that do not really consider supporting PHP, which might make it troublesome sometimes depending on the environment you will use it. However, if there is a need to develop a web app as quickly as possible, I have personally never seen anything beat PHP.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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I used to get called a 10x developer, I was also called a rockstar and a ninja and a 100x dev and every other compliment that was hip. Then I hit 30. That type of talk stopped. Then I hit 40. Now I will not be considered for any entry level, mid level, or senior level software dev job anywhere in the United States, despite being very desperate and willing to relocate for anything. Doesn't matter. Too old. I'm suppose…

Make a backup plan now Truer words rarely spoken. Tech is Logan's Run, No Country For Old Men.

I can't agree. I turn 50 this year and it's easier than ever to get a new gig. If anything I've noticed a bias in my favor where I would be viewed as a stabilizing force on the team.

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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I am almost 40, and I fully expect this to be my last software development job. Likewise, I've never had a negative performance review and am usually the top task-killer and bug-destroyer; but when recruiters call and find out I'm married with kids they can't seem to hang up fast enough. I'm saving as much as I can. The end is nigh.

> married with kids Can't you just lie about this? It's none of their business. Or tell white lies -- kids, but "pretty old" or "at college" or whatever.

I make it a habit of trying not to be dishonest. :)

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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If you chose the word "desperate" deliberately, would you mind telling us/me why someone with two-to-three decades of experience becomes "desperate" for a job? What did you work on during those years? Did you keep up with the industry? I am asking out of interest for both you and me. For you, I want to help you regain confidence that is rightfully yours, because someone with your experience should not need to feel de…

A lot of the coders over 40 that I know who are experiencing difficulty finding work are coders who spent years working at the same place and chose specialization over staying current. They chose to become the J2EE guy with 10 years experience at a fortune 500 or the off the shelf ecommerce specialist. Being overly loyal to these companies and seeking job security left them with little career security at companies wh…

Some companies are definitely friendlier to older and longer-tenured employees than others. I've been at my current employer for quite a while and even I was a bit surprised at the number of 20 year anniversaries shown at a recent meeting.

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I used to get called a 10x developer, I was also called a rockstar and a ninja and a 100x dev and every other compliment that was hip. Then I hit 30. That type of talk stopped. Then I hit 40. Now I will not be considered for any entry level, mid level, or senior level software dev job anywhere in the United States, despite being very desperate and willing to relocate for anything. Doesn't matter. Too old. I'm suppose…

I'm 40 and I don't suppose anyone has ever called me a 10x developer or a rockstar or a ninja, though I was recently described as having "a superpower to crush tickets." I have a feeling you have not applied "everywhere" in the United States, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I've never left my home state, and the deluge of recruiter spam on LinkedIn hasn't slowed down yet. And no I'm not an architect or team lead…

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Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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I used to get called a 10x developer, I was also called a rockstar and a ninja and a 100x dev and every other compliment that was hip. Then I hit 30. That type of talk stopped. Then I hit 40. Now I will not be considered for any entry level, mid level, or senior level software dev job anywhere in the United States, despite being very desperate and willing to relocate for anything. Doesn't matter. Too old. I'm suppose…

Have you tried consulting gig?

Re: Rules of thumb for a 1x developer

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In my experience being under 40 is not a prerequisite for being hired in software. A suggestion: two of the biggest turnoffs that I personally see and would work hard to avoid (not saying you have either of those): 1. Sounding desperate. Do not cast a very wide net at one company -- you can apply to mid level and principal level positions at different companies, but do not blanket all job postings at one company. Cho…

> Sounding desperate. Why is that a negative signal? The company has the opportunity to get top talent temporarily down on his/her luck for a reduced rate.

Well if this were sports and people had fixed time commitment contracts that makes sense. But for at-will employment, they're likely to move on once they're not desperate. You want a good fit, not a bargain.
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