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If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

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Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#141
As an iPad owner who just ordered a kindle, pre-config'd w/ my amazon account, I wish Apple would fix the must-sync-w/-iTunes problem

1. Allow selection of Mac or Win file-system type during iDevice ordering, default to FAT32 otherwise (3rd party sales, etc.) 2. Configure iDevice w/ ordering account before shipping, or as on-site set-up @ brick & mortar 3. Customers purchase content without syncing their iDevice on PC 4. Profit $$$

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#142

My iPad won't even charge right without my macBook. My brother works for Apple and gave me the party line about how "some motherboards are not capable of supplying enough power to their usb ports." I started Parallels on my macBook, plugged in the iPad and let it connect to the virtual XP that was running: "Not Charging". Shut down Parallels without even unplugging the iPad, well, boy howdy, its charging now. No OSX/…

Windows (may even be the USB specification itself) will not deliver more than X mA to a device unless a driver is installed to request > X mA

OS X obviously is aware of iDevices so it charges without you knowing any wiser. Windows needs the driver.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what if you don't want to sync all of that? The article made it clear that the problem is that you need to connect to iTunes just to turn the iPad on the first time .

The article is wrong about that if you buy one from a store.

Apple wouldn't want people not living close to one of its stores buying its products, after all.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what if you don't want to sync all of that? The article made it clear that the problem is that you need to connect to iTunes just to turn the iPad on the first time .

The article is wrong about that if you buy one from a store.

Interesting -- that's an improvement from iPad v1 -- my wife bought one of those and was annoyed that she had to plug it in to her Mac and sync it to make it work. (And she's the Apple fangrrrl in the household.)

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#145

In "Marketing Warfare," Al Reis and Jack Trout give a rule of thumb: Never build your strategy around an opponent's weakness. Build it around their strength. Why? because weaknesses can be fixed. Strengths cannot be fixed without undermining an opponent's own strategy. From this, I get that there are two kinds of problems with a product or service: A weakness, which is something bad that is orthogonal to a product's…

This seems to be another way of describing disruption (and I like it):

Companies serve their customers. They improve their product along a dimension that their customers want. Equivalent to your "weakness" - as soon as their customers care about this, they work hard to fix it.

If you create an alternative product for those very same customers (and for the very same use) that's not as good in that dimension, they won't buy it. If it's better on that dimension (a sustaining innovation), the incumbents will work hard to beat it - and historically, they usually will, as they have all kinds of advantages over you.

But if you build for different customers, who currently have nothing, they will be delighted, and the incumbent won't care because you don't threaten their customers. Now, usually such a product will have other benefits that the competitor's product lacks - at the very least, a cheaper price, but maybe also convenience, flexibility, customizability, simplicity etc. This benefit is usually a result of a tradeoff against the above dimension - a "drawback".

Over time, you naturally will improve your product, and (perhaps) it will approach being good enough to threaten that competitor. But even as they see you approach, they really can't fight you, because it would require they let down their customers. And, what's even worse, at this new way of doing things, you are now the incumbent, with all the experience with engineering, customer acquisition and business model etc, and they are the entrant.

But I think you add a new idea to disruption, that the "drawback" is incompatible with the value proposition, as opposed to being orthogonal. Different business models are often like that; also many engineering tradeoffs. It's exacerbated by when you improve at something, you often specialize in it; and specialization in one thing implies de-specialization in something else.

Note that such incompatibilities are not restricted to engineering issues: if Apple somehow became dependent on tethering, or on iPad users requiring an Apple desktop, as part of their business model, it would then become a "drawback", that you could attack on.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#146

this is one area that android as an os is better at. it's ready to go out of the box, syncs data from your google account and upgrades the os over the wire.

Unless your Google account just does not happen to include your 11gig photo library, 10gig music library, etc. Which it likely doesn't.

This is about the fourth post on HN I've seen whining (yes, I think it's whining) about this issue. Apple is going all-cloud soon enough, if the rumors are true. In the meantime, if I'm going to sync 20-25gig of stuff to a new device, I really don't mind plugging it in.

I also don't mind plugging it in occasionally for an OS upgrade. It's just not a big deal, at all. The device is wire-dependent on a daily basis, anyway, folks: it needs a fresh new supply of electrons to keep running. Get over it.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#147
post #145

In "Marketing Warfare," Al Reis and Jack Trout give a rule of thumb: Never build your strategy around an opponent's weakness. Build it around their strength. Why? because weaknesses can be fixed. Strengths cannot be fixed without undermining an opponent's own strategy. From this, I get that there are two kinds of problems with a product or service: A weakness, which is something bad that is orthogonal to a product's…

This seems to be another way of describing disruption (and I like it): Companies serve their customers. They improve their product along a dimension that their customers want. Equivalent to your "weakness" - as soon as their customers care about this, they work hard to fix it. If you create an alternative product for those very same customers (and for the very same use) that's not as good in that dimension, they won'…

Nice observation, I never tied Reis & Trout's explanation to disruption quite like that. They were describing a "Flanking Attack" which really fits with what you're describing quite well. And yes, the incompatibility is the key.

Going back to The Innovator's Dilemma, this explains why companies become trapped by their customers: Their existing customers hate anything that addresses the drawback because it is incompatible with the value proposition that appeals to them.

Although Microsoft won the battle by burying Netscape, they seem to have lost the Internet war, in large part because the Internet is incompatible with the value proposition of operating systems and desktop office productivity software. For example, the Internet does away with installing software binaries. Which is a drawback of desktop software and operating systems. But that is incompatible with the value proposition that an IT department gets to control what runs on an office computer.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#148

Post-PC is just a statement about where the growth is. It doesn't mean PCs are suddenly useless or going away.

Precisely.

It's not like 30-inch monitors and ergonomic keyboards are going to magically become portable tomorrow. Desktop/laptop computers are sticking around for a while.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can you do with an Android pad that you can't do with an iPad bought unlocked from the store?

Transfer music and data from/to the device using your favorite OS and well-known applications, for one.

yawn

That's the best you can do? How I initially transfer over my big photo/music libraries when I buy a new toy is of vanishingly little significance to me. (BTW, Apple has a few well-known applications for this, like iTunes and iPhoto and Aperture. Perhaps you have heard of them?)

Talk to me about a superior user experience. Talk to me about a superior applications base. Talk to me about a more responsive, reliable device with better battery life. Then I'll be interested.

Re: If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true, but I think a "post-pc" device should be able to stand on it's own two legs. Thanks for pointing this out, I meant to include it in my article.

I think a "post-pc" device should be able to stand on it's own two legs. Why? I ask seriously. Your interpretation of the phrase post-PC as "you don't need to see a PC ever again" is just one interpretation, and perhaps not the one that Steve Jobs meant. [1] It's a deliberately ambiguous term, like most statements about trends and fashion. He's talking about the PC era . Just because an era ends doesn't mean that all…

I have no idea why you were down-voted. Your explanation is cogent and similar to what art historians mean by "postmodern art".
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