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Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by dang »

throwanem wrote: post #94
seph-reed wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm curious how many people who now say "give me privacy or give me death!" will change their tune in a hurry once they are themselves, perhaps for the first time in their lives, in real danger of dying. The weak ones we shouldn't be prioritizing over the strong. Harboring weakness is just asking to be taken advantage of. It may seem empathetic at first, but all you end up doing is undermining the individuals growt…

It's a mercy you won't be held to this when you get sick, and find it's somewhat easier to talk in the abstract about coming to terms with death than to face the imminent possibility. edit: Well, you won't be held to it assuming we haven't reached a need for sufficiently severe triage, I suppose. Otherwise, you might get a chance to quite literally put your life on the line for the principle you've just espoused! I w…

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Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by dang »

Proziam wrote: post #104
throwanem wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a mercy you won't be held to this when you get sick, and find it's somewhat easier to talk in the abstract about coming to terms with death than to face the imminent possibility. edit: Well, you won't be held to it assuming we haven't reached a need for sufficiently severe triage, I suppose. Otherwise, you might get a chance to quite literally put your life on the line for the principle you've just espoused! I w…

All the soldiers, firefighters, and doctors/nurses/EMTs (and many more) are putting their lives on the line for what they believe in. Some of them believe in the constitution and some of them simply desire to help their fellow man. Not everyone is so weak that they sell out others for their own benefit, and assuming the worst of others only serves to expose your values, or lack thereof. > I wish you joy of it. That w…

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Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by dang »

buzzkillington wrote: post #126
throwanem wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a mercy you won't be held to this when you get sick, and find it's somewhat easier to talk in the abstract about coming to terms with death than to face the imminent possibility. edit: Well, you won't be held to it assuming we haven't reached a need for sufficiently severe triage, I suppose. Otherwise, you might get a chance to quite literally put your life on the line for the principle you've just espoused! I w…

>It's a mercy you won't be held to this when you get sick, and find it's somewhat easier to talk in the abstract about coming to terms with death than to face the imminent possibility. It's unfortunate that you're a coward. Death is not something to fear, and with a stock of strong pain killers neither is dying.

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Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by laegooose »

snarf21 wrote: post #7
onion2k wrote: post #4

If this gets any sort of public traction it'll be built in to shop doorways, public transport, police cars, and street lights within a couple of months.

Yeah, in a new york minute. This is already built into iOS in their newer Find My Phone. The carriers also know who and where we are just need to add in covid testing data. The problem is that even if it is decentralized and OSS, then the average user can't/won't install it. If it is simple and easy (centralized), then it becomes a honey pot for the government.

Can you please explain or give a link, how can I use Find My Phone for anything coronavirus-related?

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by parkersweb »

Dystopian wrote: post #54

I feel like this would be a lot easier and have a higher rate of usage/compliance if our tech companies actually worked with people to release or opt-into sharing this information for when it's necessary (information which is already secretly shared with governments for security). For the majority of people if they go to https://www.google.com/maps/timeline they'll have a tracker of everywhere they've visited and the…

I don’t in my case because I’m not comfortable with the commercial information that gives Google.

One of the gestures I think Google could make in this fight is to allow people to opt into that data sharing on a strictly limited basis. I’d opt in if it was only going to be provided for the purposes of medical infection contact tracing while this pandemic is rife.

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by bingojess »

Dystopian wrote: post #54

I feel like this would be a lot easier and have a higher rate of usage/compliance if our tech companies actually worked with people to release or opt-into sharing this information for when it's necessary (information which is already secretly shared with governments for security). For the majority of people if they go to https://www.google.com/maps/timeline they'll have a tracker of everywhere they've visited and the…

I don't think anyone trusts Google enough. They can help by providing governments with anonymized data they already have. Immediately what comes to mind is identifying to governments public hot spots while lockdowns are supposed to be going on so that they can send people to disperse the gatherings. I'm sure people can come up with better ideas

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by bingojess »

nailer wrote: post #63

What is contact tracking? The article does not tell us.

For context, Singapore has a team of 20 that can call contacts of confirmed cases, they are able to make 4000 calls a day. Those in contact with confirmed cases are made to a mandatory home quarantine, i think something like 35k people in Singapore are currently serving home quarantines.

Re: Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

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Post by nessup »

I’m currently working on a community-run contact tracing app in the open: https://github.com/epicollect/epi-collect

It is not a mobile app. You export your data from Google (thanks GDPR!), and filter out personally identifiable data points before submitting. We also let you know exactly who is about to use your donated data (we only allow academic researchers to have access), and give you advance notice so you can delete it if you don’t want your data to be used in a particular project.

We are MIT licensed and are figuring out how to make data donation safe via UX and engineering. We need all the help we can get - even if it’s just feedback. Feel reach out! Nessup@gmail.com

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