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The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #137

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There is a big difference between being abused by your employer, on which you depend with your livelihood, and being a volunteer, who can literally walk away anytime without consequences.

You can also walk away anytime from employment without consequences. You just stop making money. At least that's how it is in America. Is UK government regulation different?

How is “not making money” not a consequence, exactly?

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #74

I think the initiative is laudable. We know that on a regular Friday or Saturday night, the NHS is already struggling with waiting time up to 4 hours in hospitals and low bed capacity. Mass COVID-19 infections would certainly cripple the NHS in no time. Yet, the problem is how do we ensure that those 250K volunteers do not become carriers of COVID-19 ?

up to 4 hours? I recently had the misfortune to be rushed to A&E in an ambulance on a Friday night, and waited for 6 hours.

When I was finally seen by a doctor, he "mentioned" that if I'd been waiting much longer I might have lost at least some use of my hand.

He also said that, at least in my neck of the woods, it's not unusual to wait up to 8 hours on a Friday/Saturday evening.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a big difference between being abused by your employer, on which you depend with your livelihood, and being a volunteer, who can literally walk away anytime without consequences.

You can also walk away anytime from employment without consequences. You just stop making money. At least that's how it is in America. Is UK government regulation different?

That is not true in the UK. Walking away 'any time' can seriously impact your potential to get another job.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #102
post #82

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I also can't buy groceries from holding the door open for people and yet I do. People are sometimes just nice to each other, helping each other out, especially in need, or in this case, a pandemic.

There is that little thing that some people who frequent HN might forget about: some people are not paid a lot (for tons of them this is a mistake of the society, and they should be paid more to begin with, but this is another issue than the immediate one) and actually need some money each month to pay rent, etc. It is too easy to say the a mass of people should just work for free to cope for the mistakes of their go…

That’s really important to remember, but I don’t see why it should affect discussion here.

Presumably we aren’t talking about volunteering the time of other people, but ourselves. If we can all afford to do it, isn’t it something to be encouraged, especially since it will charitably benefit those who cannot afford to do it?

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #141
post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also walk away anytime from employment without consequences. You just stop making money. At least that's how it is in America. Is UK government regulation different?

How is “not making money” not a consequence, exactly?

It is a consequence, but it is a consequence of both employment and volunteering.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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In the UK?

Act of congress is a very common idiom, and widely understood by many who have similar systems of democratic government. Don't be that guy. Ah yes, forgot calling out pedantry hits too close to home with one of the world's most pedantic communities.

If you say "Act of Congress" in the UK everyone will either not know what you are talking about or assume you are referring to the USA.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #112
post #45

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One of the problems the UK has is that "The Big Society" was used as a political punchline for the best part of the last decade.

Similar to the problem in the US, where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is. For decades. And working to ensure that it is (so parts of it can be privatized). Now, look at it, when we need it.

> where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is. For decades. And working to ensure that it is (so parts of it can be privatized).

I'd be much more likely to accept that this was causative if not for the existence of San Francisco and other one-party cities that nonetheless exemplify incompetent governance.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #112
post #45

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One of the problems the UK has is that "The Big Society" was used as a political punchline for the best part of the last decade.

Similar to the problem in the US, where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is. For decades. And working to ensure that it is (so parts of it can be privatized). Now, look at it, when we need it.

>where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is

You ever been to a DMV? Or seen someone treated at the VA? Or heard how patents are issued at the Patent Office?

The government is good at some things. It's really, really bad at others, and has zero accountability most of the time.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #88

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You mean like instead of abusing them by asking them to volunteer?

There is a big difference between being abused by your employer, on which you depend with your livelihood, and being a volunteer, who can literally walk away anytime without consequences.

I fail to see how a scenario where you can walk away any time and are being paid could ever be more abusive than a scenario where you can walk away at any time and are not being paid.

Re: The NHS is looking for up to 250k volunteers

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar to the problem in the US, where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is. For decades. And working to ensure that it is (so parts of it can be privatized). Now, look at it, when we need it.

> where one party has been talking about how incompetent government is. For decades. And working to ensure that it is (so parts of it can be privatized). I'd be much more likely to accept that this was causative if not for the existence of San Francisco and other one-party cities that nonetheless exemplify incompetent governance.

I feel the same. SF turned me into a libertarian/neoliberal.
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