There is no way the current administration is going to accept them and make the US look "weak" or "dire". Without exaggeration it's an easy guess they will sit in a warehouse unused no matter how urgent the need.
Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US
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Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US
#142Seems like a power move to me. Painting a picture for the world of struggling U.S. institutions needing a Chinese billionaire's help to weather a crisis. I'm not even sure it's incorrect.
It is not at all incorrect.
For whatever reason, the US lacks the ability and/or the capability of responding effectively to this crisis.
The assistance is valuable and should be respected and appreciated accordingly.
And if people in the US feel uncomfortable about what this assistance implies about the US -- well, there will be time to consider why that is so and what can be done about it at a future date.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah China bad USA good. If anything China has done much more to contain the virus.
Truth. They're using drones to following people and ask them to go back into their homes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPw6xjwAlHc With complete lack of freedom and privacy, you can achieve a lot. They're doing better than any western country would: https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-china-slowed-coronavirus-lo...
The drones seem if anything quite a lot less privacy-intruding than other possible measures, assuming they're just wandering around looking for people without masks. It would be embarrassing to be on the receiving end but with no real lasting effect or privacy loss, which is ultimately a pretty ideal result on a societal level.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's actually hard to tell whether this is a joke or what...
My logic (point 1 and 2) is a joke? What part about it do you not believe?
Well... for one, it is illogical to infer geopolitically motivated chemical warfare from a personal charitable act.
Especially so when coronavirus would not survive on the masks for the duration of a shipment from China...
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well. Not so fast. It isn't cynicism to point out issues with this idea. You can't accept half a million random tests kits and use them for anything. It isn't that simple. At a minimum, we know nothing about where they came from, their traceability, method of manufacture, sterility, etc. And then there's the reality that "test kits" does not mean swab-to-result technology. There's a lot more to testing someone for, w…
Bullshit. When the CDC has 500k tests, by all means, regulate away. To prohibit using even potentially working technology when the alternative is nothing is barbaric.
Bullshit squared. If the tests give you false results you are going to OVERWHELM the medical system with people who should have tested negative.
As it is our tests only have about 1% false positive rate and tests being used in other parts of the world seem to be in the 3% range.
Please, don't have these crazy ideas if you don't know what you are talking about. You clearly don't.
A bad test isn't a substitute for a good test.
Simple example: I give you a bad test, determine you have cancer and cart you right into a weeks long immune system destroying chemotherapy treatment. And then we discover the test was junk.
Even worse: We test EVERYONE with this junk cancer test and give EVERYONE chemotherapy, blow up our hospitals, bankrupt the medical system and everyone ends-up half dead and immuno-compromised. Brilliant.
No, traceability and quality are supremely important, particularly when you are dealing with millions of potential patients.
Re: Jack Ma to send 500K coronavirus test kits, 1M face masks to US
#146How much do the test kits cost and how are they made? What materials? I read there are like, 3 key special materials involved?
How are they administered? I've Googled and haven't found a simple answer. Is it spit?
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's actually hard to tell whether this is a joke or what...
My logic (point 1 and 2) is a joke? What part about it do you not believe?
“Weakness and ignorance are not barriers to survival, but arrogance is.” You think China can't manufacture good quality mask, a simple mask? You people really are that arrogant?
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well. Not so fast. It isn't cynicism to point out issues with this idea. You can't accept half a million random tests kits and use them for anything. It isn't that simple. At a minimum, we know nothing about where they came from, their traceability, method of manufacture, sterility, etc. And then there's the reality that "test kits" does not mean swab-to-result technology. There's a lot more to testing someone for, w…
But you can trace all of that after the fact. If you have a positive result you can go prove it later. If you have a negative result you can go prove that later. But you can at least start by acting on the result.
> But you can trace all of that after the fact.
No, you can't. You clearly don't understand the subject.
The most you might be able to do is say "Hmmm, we are getting three times more false positives". By that time you will have wasted a ton of time, overwhelmed hospitals with people who did not need to be there and no, despite your belief, there is no way (or point really) to trace it, at least nothing that is going to help your medical system to avoid collapse.
There is no substitute for quality and traceability when lives matter. None.
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#149And what if the mask itself is already tainted with the virus? Wouldn't you want to verify that it's actually free of the virus in the first place? It is coming from China.
Mask tainted with virus? Cmmon man, that is a tremendous stretch of likelihood. And would lead to action.
Original poster was talking about masks not meeting some specification. And I'm pretty sure most of your stuff has been coming from China for a long time.
I really am mindblown by both your, and original poster's negativity on this. The guy is almost certainly trying to help. So thanks. And I say this as someone who disapproves very strongly of the CCP.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if you get a negative result from the test-kit, you let the person go, then later after the fact, you realize that it's a false-negative and you shouldn't have let the patient go ... now you've just spread the virus even more
The alternative as it seems right now is to not test at all .
Unfortunately, a no-test is preferable to a false negative.
Even with known good kits, we are getting negative and positive results from the same patient, most often throat- negative and anal-positive.
When a carrier receives a false negative, behavior changes toward risk.