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Re: $50M worth of Tesla equipment sits unused in a Wheatfield warehouse

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Post by virtue3 »

SEJeff wrote: post #121
briandear wrote: post #51

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However, tanks are strategic weapons as well as tactical ones. Similar to why we have ICBMs but never hope to launch one.

Generally speaking, ICBMs are strategic weapons exclusively. The tactical version of ICMBs are just tomahawk cruise missiles, and they're in nuclear submarines all around the world just waiting for the signal.

I donno, the "fingers of god" are also loaded in submarines ready to go whenever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(missile)#/media/File:...

Re: $50M worth of Tesla equipment sits unused in a Wheatfield warehouse

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Post by gus_massa »

rurp wrote: post #127
tomatotomato37 wrote: post #94

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You don't keep tanks around for what happens before the nuclear bombardment, you keep them around for afterwards. Most nuclear assets are pointed at either other nukes or military infrastructure; you'd still a large amount of civilian infrastructure around filled with angry civilians that would want to finish the fight one way or another before nuclear winter fucks everything. And tanks being tanks a fleet would surv…

I could be totally off base here but my impression, based on the staggering amount of nuclear warheads that could be deployed in a war, is that this line of thinking is wildly optimistic. I expect that any humans who survive a nuclear war will be focused primarily on staying alive and preventing human extinction, not continuing whatever geopolitical conflict led to the war.

The nuclear winter has been downgraded to nuclear autumn, and it is really really really bad if the war happens in the right time of the year. (Otherwise, it's only very very very bad.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter#Criticism_and_d...

Anyway, people is people, and after all the nuclear warhead are used, the survivors will seek revenge with conventional weapons.

Re: $50M worth of Tesla equipment sits unused in a Wheatfield warehouse

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Post by wilg »

skrtskrt wrote: post #66
briandear wrote: post #61

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> any alternative option is crushed with voter suppression With early voting, free or very cheap ID for poor people, mail in ballots, and literally a year or more to confirm one’s voter registration, voter suppression is a ridiculous excuse. If people cared about voting, they would do it. I honestly don’t want people voting that can’t be bothered to take the responsibility seriously enough that they allow themselves…

People waited in line for 3, 4, even 7 hours in black/Latino neighborhoods and on college campuses in Texas and California last night. They close voting sites in these places, sometimes the day of the election: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-pollin... They come up with convoluted ID requirements that only apply to college students, requiring types of ID their colleges don't even issue for them:…

Totally agree we need to fix these issues with lines and ID requirements. But Texas and California are very different.

California has mail-in so I do think something is going on where people don't know about the vote by mail. You can even just get your ballot by mail and drop it off at a polling place or mailbox day of if you want to decide late.

And gerrymandering is definitely a huge issue, but not the whole issue. You can't gerrymander the Senate, for example, but it is still Republican-controlled.

It does seem like there are still extreme get-out-the-vote issues beyond the (totally unacceptable) vote suppression. Turnout is still unbelievably low.

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Post by irrational »

csours wrote: post #115
gowld wrote: post #101

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Yes. Solar City was a Musk (nee Rive) family business from the start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SolarCity#History > SolarCity was founded in 2006 by brothers Peter and Lyndon Rive, based on a suggestion for a solar company concept by their cousin, Elon Musk, who is the chairman and helped start the company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_Rive > Rive is a cousin of SolarCity investor and entrepreneur Elon Mu…

> (That means that Rive and Musk are genetically half-siblings.) Apropos of nothing, I'm now imagining a world with forms of address based on the natural logarithm of shared genetic material.

There is an app that will tell you and another person with the same app how closely related you are and will show the ancestry chain between the two of you. It turns out the my wife and I are 10th cousins (common great-whatever grandparents in the 1600s). I started calling her my cousin-wife, but she didn't think it was funny, so I had to stop ;-)

Re: $50M worth of Tesla equipment sits unused in a Wheatfield warehouse

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Post by allendoerfer »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #99
allendoerfer wrote: post #93

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The EU is integrating it's military further. So Poland would essentially be a nuclear power. Even right know, Poland has allies, who have made the mistake of ignoring them being invaded for too long, and would probably not do so again.

I do have some blindspots when it comes to Poland. Would you be willing to elaborate further? From what I could tell, everything was done to prevent Poland from going on nuclear path. Why would that approach change now?

What I was hinting at was: France is a nuclear power and given a joint military, Poland also would therefor be one. Still a long way ahead before something remotely like this will happen, but there is movement in that direction.

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Post by jrumbut »

pbreit wrote: post #122
zelon88 wrote: post #76

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Contracts between entities don't just disappear when the entities involved change hands. Pending business arrangements should have all been factored in to the equity of the purchase.

Sure. But inheriting a deal is very, very different from originating a deal.

This was an acquisition, not an inheritance. Though maybe he would have inherited control in the fullness of time since it came from his half brothers.

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Post by at-fates-hands »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #118
jlmorton wrote: post #62

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Well, let's be clear about the timeline. Silevo was planning a factory in upstate New York, and the State of New York was planning to invest $225 million in that project. In June 2014, SolarCity agreed to acquire Silevo. Three months later, with Elon Musk's personal involvement, the Cuomo Administration agreed to increase their investment to $750 million, in a much-expanded deal. Construction of the factory began und…

Interesting info. If they got 750 million statewide investment, the factory used $700 million of it then? 50 mil left over? I hate state investments in businesses via direct or tax cuts. But this couldn't be worse than Washington state's massive tax cuts for boeing, which proceeded to move more production and jobs to their east coast factory right after they got the tax brake.

> But this couldn't be worse than Washington state's massive tax cuts for boeing,

I see your Boeing deal and raise you one Wisconsin deal with Foxconn that will cost the state $4.5 billion and thousands of jobs that most likely never existed.

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Post by anonsivalley652 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #148

This website responds with a plain 403 'Access Denied' for european users.

I guess it's American-made propaganda with export controls because it's considered "munitions."

Try this instead: https://outline.com/BdaeZq

Re: $50M worth of Tesla equipment sits unused in a Wheatfield warehouse

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Post by Spooky23 »

pbreit wrote: post #37

As usual, Tesla's involvement in the original deal is reported incorrectly. Tesla had no involvement in the original deal. Nor did Solar City. In fact, Silevo did the deal, was then acquired by Solar City which was then acquired by Tesla.

Poor Tesla.

How could they understand that you acquire contract obligations when you acquire a company?

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