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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by jrnichols »

ilitirit wrote: post #10

> Mozilla lost the browser wars Honest question... who did they lose to? Google Chrome? For me personally, Firefox has been better than Chrome for several years now. The only reason I still load up Chrome is when I want to stream to my Chromecast.

Yep. Google and Google Chrome. I remember years back when Flash was still all over the place, the big reason (at least among users I dealt with) for installing Chrome was its sandboxed Flash plugin.

The only reason I use Chrome now is for that pesky site that still hasn't gotten away from Flash. Unfortunately this is the case with some online training modules we are required to finish. At least now I can throw away Google Chrome and use Microsoft Edge. A tiny political victory, perhaps.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by gfody »

Using uMatrix really raised my awareness of how bad things are - spyTech is utterly everywhere. I still take the time to micromanage my matrix every time I encounter a new site and it’s ridiculous how long it can take to get a random infested page back to an acceptable level of usability.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by wayneftw »

blackearl wrote: post #122
avian wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login It's funny because Firefox has been pushing their login thing pretty hard (the yellow "oh no" exclamation mark icon if you're not logged in, the account icon that keeps placing itself back onto my toolbar, occasional full-page ad/nag screen, ...).

I've never seen the exclamation mark and I'm never signed in on my work computer. Meanwhile, Chrome signs you into the browser profile if you sign into any Google site and it's opt-out.

They've got it plastered around the UI. It's the very top menu item. It's also in the Pocket address bar button right under where they advertise to you to "Sign up for Pocket. It's freeeeeee!"

Not only that, but on new installs and after some updates Firefox nags you to sign up whenever it can, for instance when you log into a website - right after you save the password it will show some animated crap in the address bar to nag you to "Sign in to sync..."

I just opened Firefox (on Linux no less) to confirm every single one of these things.

Chrome (my default browser) actually nags me less and in less annoying ways.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by detritus »

avian wrote: post #35
throwaway8291 wrote: post #3

I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login (at around version 40). Never looked back. One day I woke up to a chart showing browser market share of FF at around 4%, which surprised me - as I thought many people would understand the implications and directions. Maybe I'm too optimistic. Update: Loved chrome, used it for years, I also love most Chrome engineering and all the innovation they…

> I'm using Firefox for years, after Chrome started to ask me for a login It's funny because Firefox has been pushing their login thing pretty hard (the yellow "oh no" exclamation mark icon if you're not logged in, the account icon that keeps placing itself back onto my toolbar, occasional full-page ad/nag screen, ...).

I use FF all day, every day across two machines and I literally cannot think of what it is you are referring to here.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Liquid_Fire »

_8j50 wrote: post #136

Can they focus on making it perform as well as Chrome? I mean, I support their efforts and all but I am forced to use a chrome based browser because FF has poor windows/sso integration and absolutley horrible memory management. A tab of any tool's webui that does a lot of work with a lot of data will not only bring firefox to a halt but the entire system. I can at least try to use it for soft workloads but you never…

Perhaps the specific websites you are using are particularly bad on Firefox (whether due to issues with the website or Firefox), but I do not share your experience at all. For me Firefox is fast and I never see it using too much memory, much less bringing the whole system to a halt.

So my suggestion is to file bugs for any websites that perform particularly badly for you.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Tomte »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #30

I liked the wrap up where the position is that it is OK when other browsers adopt some of Mozilla’s privacy features. I just about exclusively use FireFox with nine containers on my Linux and macOS laptops. Being able to segregate data is a game changer. On my iOS devices, I feel stuck with Safari since other browsers sit on top of Safari. I appreciate the privacy features in Safari but still feel the need to frequen…

> On my iOS devices, I feel stuck with Safari since other browsers sit on top of Safari

More importantly, Safari is the anointed web browser that opens all web links. If you could designate Firefox to be the primary web browser, I'd do so in a heartbeat, because "Send to device" is so damn useful when you're using Firefox everywhere.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by luckylion »

dangus wrote: post #11
RabbiPires wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is listing it as a primary principle when there are more pressing concerns. I don't care about people's politics, so long as they don't push it to the forefront. Unfortunately this is what seems to happen a lot these days. "Fighting hate" should not be a primary concern for Mozilla right now.

I’m failing to see how Mozilla is being political, and how fighting hate is political. Theoretically, people across the political spectrum should all agree with that. Hate online is a huge problem, and if Mozilla think they have potential to solve that problem, I’d say they can go for it. It’s their budget, not mine or yours.

> Hate online is a huge problem, and if Mozilla think they have potential to solve that problem, I’d say they can go for it.

So is climate change. They really should focus on that problem, because it's literally endangering our planet, not just the Internet.

Or they should keep their focus on a more narrow topic that they actually understand and have some success in working on.

I've yet to see mission creep that didn't turn into a problem very quickly.

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Post by wott »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #50
thawaway1837 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is “woke culture”?

Mostly an internet fad. You can safely ignore it.

I wish it was. Mainstream media are often relaying it, as they relay almost all the new liberal leftism/feminism, just a bit less so far. And I am not even talking about the USA but somewhere in Europe where that American stuff was imported in a blink, in spite of the fact that local situation, culture and history do no match that story and the American situation, culture and history at all.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by dave_j »

Cladode wrote: post #59
infinity0 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Failing to distinguish "woke" from a genuine desire and effectiveness to help the world, is itself not helpful to the world. I've seen plenty of people "talk the talk" but act in a way that is completely disingenuous, manipulative, harmful, and often hypocritical. Other people don't examine their words too carefully and suck up to them just because they "talk nice", leading to various degrees of cults of personality.…

replaced Christian with It has often been noted that many political concepts in the western world emerged out of Christianity, notably by Nietzsche and Carl Schmitt. That's probably not really directly a unique feature of Christianity but because religions themselves tend to co-evolve with successful states as narratives that help stabilise said states.

That isn't strictly true. Christianity has a concept of what should be dealt by God and what should be dealt with by man. The very term "Religion" is a Christian one as before that generally the state, religion, your life etc were all bound up as one. It wasn't until the Roman Empire did anyone even consider that these were separate.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by luckylion »

Angostura wrote: post #67
ecmascript wrote: post #62

Mozilla essentially did a "get woke, go broke". They fired Brendan for ridicolous reasons, they focused on products that were useless and were really focused on spreading propaganda for woke causes. I still use Firefox everyday since it's the best browser for linux but I also use Brave. Mozilla as a company in my eyes are a bit lost and they need more focus on their technology. It seems like they have realized this i…

> hey fired Brendan for ridicolous reasons Marriage equality isn't a particularly ridiculous reason.

For the topic of "how to make a browser", it is a completely ridiculous reason.

That's the point of the parent, I believe. They didn't act as a technology foundation, they acted as a political grass roots organization. As a tech-spinoff of a progressive party, you couldn't keep Eich. As a browser manufacturer, his private political ideas are irrelevant and firing him because of it is clearly ridiculous.

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