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Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by StavrosK »

buro9 wrote: post #121
stavros wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a very satisfied CloudFlare customer (read "leech", since I'm using the free tier), I have seen your dashboard serve 300 GB of data for me some days, which never reached my server because of caching. It would be nice to be able to see a list of the ten most bandwidth-using URLs for a period, so I can maybe save you some bandwidth in case it's an attack or something similar. Currently, since I use caching, I never…

Consider that a feature request heard, I'll make sure the product and engineering managers who do the HTTP and cache analytics know about it. Mind if I put them in touch with you? And hey again, long time no speak... if you're in London let me know. Otherwise one day I'll make it to wherever you are in the world now.

Thanks! No, I don't mind at all, thank you.

I will let you know next time I'm in London, it's been a while. I'm still in Thessaloniki, let me know if you're ever around!

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by mwcampbell »

ryanlol wrote: post #66
pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

Perhaps you like problems? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3654110 Compromised Linode, thousands of BitCoins stolen (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3655137 Linode Manager Security Incident (2012) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5552756 Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked (2013) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7086921 An old system and a SWAT team (2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item…

Nobody's perfect, and Linode clearly had growing pains. Can you point to anything in the past four years? If not, I'd give them another chance.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by iMerNibor »

buboard wrote: post #116

i m always surprised by the obvious promotion posts here. I 've had free Ddos protection in my hetzner servers since forever and nobody ever mentioned it

There was a hn thread on it aswell when they finally added it instead of nullrouting ips

Might be this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12403783

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by lentil »

ignoramous wrote: post #140
lentil wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also remember comparing AWS Lambda at Edge vs Cloudflare Workers ... costs were something like 10x apart. According to the AWS pricing example[1] 10 million requests per month on Lambda@Edge costs $9.13. The same thing on Cloudflare Workers[2] costs $5.00. So I would expect it to be closer to 2x. Although as you say there's a bit more flexibility with Lambda@Edge so it'll depend on your particular case. I'm curio…

$5 includes a generous free tier for Workers KV that can hold upto 10MiB of data against a single key . Cloudflare does not charge for bandwidth consumed, I believe. Also, use of Cloudflare's zonal http-cache is free. I guess, when I compared, I took Lambda@Edge's per second billing into consideration and not per 50ms (which brings down the RAM usage cost from $62.52 to $3.13 and total usage from $68.52 to $9.13). Wh…

That's interesting, thanks. I haven't really used Cloudflare Workers for much myself so it's interesting to hear folks' comparisons.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by Existenceblinks »

pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

Perf+capacity / cost

DX/UX/UI

Fit small to medium business (i.e. better resource management decision. Yes, that imaginary scaling thing)

Price predictability

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Launching a production on DO: 1 LB + 2 droplets + 1 managed PG. That's pretty much to cover a huge portion of problem space you are solving for customers. Mostly enough for a sustainable business.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by ignoramous »

lentil wrote: post #144
ignoramous wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$5 includes a generous free tier for Workers KV that can hold upto 10MiB of data against a single key . Cloudflare does not charge for bandwidth consumed, I believe. Also, use of Cloudflare's zonal http-cache is free. I guess, when I compared, I took Lambda@Edge's per second billing into consideration and not per 50ms (which brings down the RAM usage cost from $62.52 to $3.13 and total usage from $68.52 to $9.13). Wh…

That's interesting, thanks. I haven't really used Cloudflare Workers for much myself so it's interesting to hear folks' comparisons.

One more thing, I am not sure if Lambda@Edge charges based on wall-time or cpu-time. Workers' 50ms is cpu-time only and not wall-time. You could, in theory, spend 30s waiting for a fetch to return as awaiting on the network doesn't count against a Workers' 50ms cpu-time limit.

Ref: https://developers.cloudflare.com/workers/about/limits/

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by Existenceblinks »

thrwaway69 wrote: post #25
pm90 wrote: post #10

Serious question: why would I want to use Linode over GCP or AWS? Asking as someone who hasn’t really dabbled with smaller cloud providers. Is it cost? Support? Developer tooling?

Cost and ease of development by not throwing thousand of options in front of your screen. Last time, I checked GCP costed me $26 (+ hidden charges) for the same I could get on many other places for $7. Some of them provide instant customer support too and are better because it's not an outsourced customer center in India or other places. Check out: vultr: https://www.vultr.com Scaleway: https://www.scaleway.com/en/ O…

+ https://render.com

(I am just a customer)

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by chias »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #137
vld wrote: post #126

This isn't on the level of some other providers, they'll still null route you if you go over an unspecified amount of traffic. IIRC they use Juniper and Corero. This is the reply I got from their support, just a few days ago: >In short, our DDoS protection works by filtering out DoS-like traffic and is applied via the Linode network, so all Linodes are automatically protected. If your server were to be on the receivi…

That's not protection, that's literally the opposite of protection lol. If you get attacked they take your service out the back and shoot it in the head. Edit: To clarify, filter = protection. Preventing all traffic is not. Both were stated in the description above so they should be clear which one it is.

Heh, that reminds me of my first bank account. They told me I had something called "overdraft protection", which I stupidly assumed would protect me from overdrafting my account by declining transactions.

Then I forgot to deposit a check at one point and overdrafted my account. I assumed things were fine because none of my transactions were getting declined. Instead I was being charged an extra $15 fee on every transaction, so that $0.75 stick of gum? $15.75, etc. This went on for about three weeks before I got my statement and talked to my bank.

They informed me that in fact the protection was from my transactions from being declined, at the paltry expense of $15 per transaction.

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by hombre_fatal »

dragonwriter wrote: post #24
arrty88 wrote: post #4

Does AWS or any other large cloud provider offer this type of service?

All of them have both automatic and add-on DDoS protection, for example of branded offerings (which doesn't cover all of the built-in protection): GCP: https://cloud.google.com/armor/ AWS: https://aws.amazon.com/shield/

Last I used AWS Shield years ago, you had to open up a support ticket to tell them about your DDoS to get a refund every time. Is that still true?

Re: Linode launches free DDoS protection

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Post by dward »

pm90 wrote: post #9
arrty88 wrote: post #4

Does AWS or any other large cloud provider offer this type of service?

I don’t believe GCP has such a service explicitly, although in 2 years of using them I’ve never seen any DDoS like behavior despite having multiple public endpoints. I am assuming there is some kind of automatic remediation that happens, or else I’ve just been extremely lucky.

https://cloud.google.com/armor/

GCP Network has built in DoS mitigation as well (e.g. in the load balancing layer) so you get some protection from that for free.

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