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Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by gamblor956 »

jeffnappi wrote: post #129
taurath wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH it’s a car and driver long term test car, so one would hope that entropy wouldn’t affect it much. If you’re saying it’s common for many vehicles to just die while parked, I don’t think that’s really a thing yet.

I'm saying if they had a Ford Explorer (or any other mundane model) that suffered a similar failure they would likely not bother to write an entire article highlighting that event. It just isn't quite the click bait that a Tesla article brings.

If it were the review model or an employee's personal vehicle they absolutely would write an article about it.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by [deleted] »

alphabettsy wrote: post #98

Michigan is a bit of a unique situation in Michigan, not having the ability to do many repairs in state due to laws meant to favor traditional automakers. The fact that loaners are not available as readily is probably an unfortunate side effect of the Model 3’s success; however, many companies don’t offer loaners for vehicles in the price range (starting Obviously being an electric car it fails as gracefully as an IC…

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Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by FDSGSG »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #139
FDSGSG wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To me, the scariest part of the article is the last image showing the Tesla screen: "Schedule an appointment on your Tesla Mobile App". >No ability to take it somewhere else, no ability to diagnose and attempt a fix yourself, you just have to hope that Tesla will fix it quickly for you Why would a message on a screen prevent you from doing any of those things?

The screen is attached to a computer that is able to prevent the car from turning on. And there's no way to get diagnostic manuals.

>The screen is attached to a computer that is able to prevent the car from turning on

Ok? That computer isn't particularly adversarial. Presumably if you're capable of fixing this car yourself the computers will present you with no difficulty, if you don't know how to fix cars with computers then the Tesla probably isn't for you.

> And there's no way to get diagnostic manuals

Yeah, there is https://service.teslamotors.com/ Or you know, just pay some random guy on a forum $20 for a copy.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by hgoel »

romaaeterna wrote: post #108
ogre_codes wrote: post #91

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How many tens of thousands of Tesla Model 3s have been sold? That ONE Tesla failed with fewer than 6,000 miles is not surprising or remotely concerning. No, I haven't had a car fail with fewer than 6,000 miles. But if I'd bought a Model 3, that would almost certainly still be the case as well because of the tens of thousands sold to date this appears to be fairly uncommon or we'd have heard about it by now. I'm not c…

> That ONE Tesla failed with fewer than 6,000 miles is not surprising or remotely concerning. Yeah, it "just happened" to be one owned by Car and Driver. If they are seeing this sort of failure with review models, you can be sure that the real failure rate is big.

Are these reviewers big enough in the industry for there to be any reason to assume they got a pre-tested vehicle? If not there's absolutely no indication that this failure suggests a higher overall failure rate.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by Dylan16807 »

FDSGSG wrote: post #143
Dylan16807 wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The screen is attached to a computer that is able to prevent the car from turning on. And there's no way to get diagnostic manuals.

>The screen is attached to a computer that is able to prevent the car from turning on Ok? That computer isn't particularly adversarial. Presumably if you're capable of fixing this car yourself the computers will present you with no difficulty, if you don't know how to fix cars with computers then the Tesla probably isn't for you. > And there's no way to get diagnostic manuals Yeah, there is https://service.teslamotor…

> That computer isn't particularly adversarial.

Oh, this won't be DRM-bound like half of what it does? If you're sure and not just guessing, good.

> Yeah, there is https://service.teslamotors.com/

Oh, hey, that works outside of Massachusetts now, as of earlier this year. Wonderful. Next up, can you order parts without this procedure yet?: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19322223

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by nurettin »

jessriedel wrote: post #61
remmargorp64 wrote: post #2

On the flip side, how cool is it that cars are now smart enough to diagnose themselves and prevent you from driving before what could potentially be an unsafe situation has a chance to occur?

The fraction of serious accidents that are caused by mechanical failure is just 12%. Of mechanically induced accidents, two-thirds were caused by the failure/degradation of the tires, wheels, or brakes. https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/... So for diagnostics other than tires, wheels, and brakes, we are talking about a system that can prevent at most 4% of accidents, and probably much, much…

>> prohibiting drivers from driving in wet conditions

I will not consider this. Because it sounds ridiculous. Prohibiting whom and how exactly, from driving how/what?, and how wet? And how do you measure that? And at the cost of what?

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by o-__-o »

Marsymars wrote: post #89
o-__-o wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife saw a Kia Stinger in a parking lot the other day and started drooling over it. “Why didn’t you get this one??” I asked her to remember the horror stories we have gone through with our Ford dealership, I told her Kia service would be worse by 5 orders of magnitude. You are being downvoted, but poor customer service is a real reason to avoid certain car brands..

Seems like more of any issue with your local dealership than the manufacturer. In my area, dealerships for entirely separate manufacturers will often have the same owners, so from that perspective, it hardly matters where you go.

I don't disagree. Except this was dealing with Ford HQ to resolve an extended warranty disagreement. I also had to do something similar with the first luxury car I dealt with. You see, extended warranties climb up the food chain since the manufacturers have made the decision it's cheaper to fix the problem than to ignore it (A * B Luxury car was a fight but they caved relatively quickly. Ford is an ongoing saga that has now taken longer to simply prove there is a problem than it took for luxury car to resolve the whole ordeal. Kia would likely be worse since they were selling Stingers at a huge markdown for awhile. I'll pass and stick to Toyota which hasn't had any major reliability problems in the past decade on their vehicles and have great service centers (in my very large metro area)

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by LoSboccacc »

AngryData wrote: post #77
newnewpdro wrote: post #58

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> you are supposed to call a tow with a blinking light Citation needed.

I dunno where you can look it up, probably a modern car manual, but as someone within an entire family of mechanics, ive never heard of a blinking check engine light that didn't mean your shit is seriously fucked up and any second away from blowing apart. In fact blinking check engine lights are pretty new overall to differentiate between shit like 'this light is on because your o2 sensor is going bad' and 'this ligh…

thank god there's a second car person around here, it felt lonely.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by sneak »

slenk wrote: post #110
sneak wrote: post #3

I think the general level of abysmal service from Tesla these days, plus the inability to casually sever the network connection/tracking, is the reason I will cancel my cybertruck order.

None of that has changed since you pre-ordered your Cybertruck. Maybe you just needed an excuse to cancel??

I think I’ve just thought about it a lot more. I don’t think I want a vehicle where my location is tracked 24/7 without my consent.

Re: Our Tesla Model 3 Suffered a Failure While Parked

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Post by LoSboccacc »

newnewpdro wrote: post #97
LoSboccacc wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Have the vehicle checked as soon as possible by an authorized Mercedes-Benz Center. what do you think that means? there are four conditions listed, more or less the same as indicated above, emission trouble or ignition trouble. are you going to play roulette with your car because you're engine light doesn't differentiate which is which via blinking like modern cars do? or are you just grasping straws? because two c…

I pasted the only section speaking to handling the check engine light, it's not cherry-picked. If you read my comment, it clearly states that few parts of the manual explicitly recommend towing. But some do, and none of them are surrounding CELs. Which makes it rather clear that a CEL condition doesn't warrant an immediate tow, unlike the brake system light or dangerous tire wear/damage where they do recommend a tow.…

I don't understand where I lost you. facts are quite clear, let's recap

I talked about blinking lights

your car doesn't have the blinking mode for engine check

I and another commenter both explained that blinking lights were specifically added to disambiguate between critical and non critical issues

these issue are deemed critical specifically because they are immediate danger of engine damage

blinking lights were specifically added because people were ignoring static check lights

your vintage car comes from an era before the disambiguations, fair enough, still not the common case today.

the respondible thing to do if your car passes the fuel and fuel cap test is to stop it and call a tow truck, specifically because as the manual started the light cover issues that might cause an engine seizure.

it's likely my fault for not disambiguating towing and tow truck early in the discussion, we have two different words for that here. (traino vs rimorchio)

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