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Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by riversflow » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 11:49 PM UTC

eikenberry wrote: post #79

gewrtw45 wrote: post #19

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> The team found that persistent marijuana use was linked to a decline in IQ, even after the researchers controlled for educational differences. The most persistent users — those who reported using the drug in three or more waves of the study — experienced a drop in neuropsychological functioning equivalent to about six IQ points (PNAS, 2012). "That's in the same realm as what you'd see with lead exposure," says Weis…

Given that they use IQ as a measure also goes to show how little they understand the effects at this point. So take this all with a grain of salt. The best evidence at this point is that adolescent use has some effect on long term memory formation, but even that needs much more study to be understood it. Nothing in the brain works on a simple better/worse scale.

Yeah, I’m highly skeptical that marijuana makes you legitimately more dumb. If I had to guess, I’d suspect that there are other factors that lead to this result. I’m skeptical because I have seen friends and acquaintances who were “dulled out” by drugs during this period of their life. While many of them were “heavy users” of marijuana, all of them were dulled from other psychotropic drugs(ecstasy being the big one), and most of them lost more than 6-8 IQ points. More like 20+ points.

If anything, I’d say that marijuana use tends to make the brain more doubtful, even of itself. In real life this is a mostly positive trait, but it is punished by the IQ test I think.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by aceofspades19 » Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 11:53 PM UTC

thrower123 wrote: post #127

knight17 wrote: post #116

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Is there any alternatives suggested for this medicine?

Naproxen is far, far better for pain, and doesn't have anywhere near the possibility of cooking your liver.

Umm NSAIDs like Naproxen have their own list of issues which may be worse than Tylenol. Another issue is that Tylenol is often used because it does not interact with other NSAIDs so if you are not sure if someone has taken medication with a NSAID in it, you can safely give them Tylenol, generally speaking, where as if you give them more NSAIDs you could potentially risk an overdose. So its not as simple as Napoxen is superior to Tylenol. IANAD,

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by berniepebbles » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 12:03 AM UTC

Here are the factors that come to mind regarding the popularity of vape pens.

1) Availability Bias - The weed pen can be on your desk or in your pocket. Coca Cola exploits this human misjudgement, and that's why you can have Coca cola all around the world. The takeaway is that you're more likely to consume because it is there.

2) Mobility - It's mobile, unlike a bong. Get high right before your favorite song at a concert. Whip out the vape pen.

3) Stealth A) (Form Factor) - I think these are becoming popular with teenagers primarily because, if a teenager wants to smoke in their parents house, and avoid detection from their parents, a vape pen is less obvious. The pen is objectively easier to hide than a flower setup.

B) (Stench) Vape pens don't smell as much. I've seen signs on businesses refusing service due to the marijuana stench on customers. People even smoke vapes in public and it's indistinguishable from vaping tobacco unless closely inspected or smelled. (The smell from vape pens exists, it's less noticeable than flower.)

4) Convenience - The steps to smoke a vape pen (push of a button and inhale) are simpler than the process of smoking out of a bong. We're dealing with stoners here! (Not all stoners are lazy, but many stereotypes are loosely based on truths.)

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by foolfoolz » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 12:21 AM UTC

P_I_Staker wrote: post #107

dls2016 wrote: post #93

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> the health issues have nothing inherently to do with THC Daily smoker here and I think I'd disagree slightly. We've been hearing for decades that "today's weed" is stronger than the 60's or whatever. But my understanding is that modern extraction techniques made this something of a reality now that oil is so widespread; I've been continually shocked to discover the number of people I meet who own vape pens. Most of…

Smoking all day long is more common than some people think. How much are we talking? Used correctly this theoretically shouldn't be a big deal and almost exactly the same as dry bud. You just take one drag instead of needing to smoke a whole bowl. If they're doing this a couple times during the day, then hitting it harder in the evening, it should be no big deal. Of course, there may be consequences to being stoned c…

when you have this tolerance you’re not high anymore you’re just buzzing for 15-30 mins at a time. before hand held vapes you would just keep your volcano on and repack the bags every 45 mins. you’re not hitting a vape 3-4 times a day it’s 3-4 times an hour 10+ hours a day

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by diogenescynic » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 12:25 AM UTC

trianglem wrote: post #65

I don’t understand why everyone moved away from directly smoking the flowers so readily. I hated the idea of shatter/resin when I first heard it and there is no way I would use a vape pen.

It’s a way to sell a byproduct for a markup and the convenience factor of vaping also helped spread their use. I’ve noticed the quality of flowers has greatly fallen in the Bay Area over the last few years. I think less growers want to focus on growing an amazing crop and would rather just do a quick crop and press it for wax.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by Noos » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 1:00 AM UTC

dwrodri wrote: post #133

liveoneggs wrote: post #126

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that oil-causing-lung-failure thing was no joke

The deaths caused by the THC oil are definitely nothing to scoff at, but they are more reflective of cannabis' 70+ years as a black market product than they are of the effects cannabis has on the human body. The CDC has determined that a high concentration of Vitamin E was the likely cause of lung failure for the afflicted [1]. In my opinion, this reinforces how important regulatory bodies are when it comes to things…

these are teens, it will always be a black market product for them, though. Even if you regulate it, no one should be selling it to teens period. There is no solution to this.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by finneganscat » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 1:16 AM UTC

Dry bud is the only way to go. Lately getting CBD bud from Oregon has been so good. My IQ is back up from the lack of THC. And my pain/anxiety have decreased more than with the THC herbs.

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Post by antoniuschan99 » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 1:20 AM UTC

nickthegreek wrote: post #87

umvi wrote: post #68

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Because lighting carbon-based molecules on fire creates thousands of carcinogenic components that are difficult to enumerate. Vapor, on the other hand, (theoretically) contains only 3 chemicals: glycerin, propylene glycol, . In practice though, vapor has probably thousands of compounds as well due to "flavors", additives, and side effects of the heating coil on those things. It's all about perception though. Lighting…

vape flower and you cut out glycerin and propylene glycol.

I always thought rosin is the best since it sounds like the cleanest extract. Is that true? If you vape rosin, then you should eliminate even the carcinogens from the plant matter?

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by emreca » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 2:02 AM UTC

proc0 wrote: post #59

I'm an avid user for many years, and when I used vaping pens for a couple weeks, I felt the damage in my lungs, it was uncomfortable. Burning oil was a little better but it still felt like the hot air was burning your lungs, and burning wax had a completely different problem where I literally felt wax on my esophagus and lungs the more I vaped. Never had any of these problems smoking from a bong. I'll stick to what h…

That may be a general big-tobacco vape pen problem. I had the same issue with a Vype pen. I had to go to an emergency service because I couldn't take deep breaths after using it for a couple of weeks. Before that I smoked cigarettes for 7 years(1-1.5 packs a day) and vaped (dual battery, large mods) for 3. Once I started using Juul type of vape devices for 2-3 weeks, that messed me up I don't know why. My theory is that these devices don't have air holes like normal vape devices have. So trying to suck air/vapor without any air holes may make your lungs go kaputt. They are convenient tho I will give them that.

Re: Teen Marijuana Vaping Soars, Displacing Other Habits

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Post by Ericson2314 » Thu, Dec 19, 2019, 3:35 AM UTC

Noos wrote: post #146

dwrodri wrote: post #133

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The deaths caused by the THC oil are definitely nothing to scoff at, but they are more reflective of cannabis' 70+ years as a black market product than they are of the effects cannabis has on the human body. The CDC has determined that a high concentration of Vitamin E was the likely cause of lung failure for the afflicted [1]. In my opinion, this reinforces how important regulatory bodies are when it comes to things…

these are teens, it will always be a black market product for them, though. Even if you regulate it, no one should be selling it to teens period. There is no solution to this.

Give it to teens for free, sell it to adults?