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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by buboard »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #115
buboard wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I m surprised every time i see people here asking for the evil that is censorship. Dorsey wants a decentralized system exactly because he won't be held liable for not censoring people. It makes sense business-wise and it's a win-win for humanity. Twitter has become a trigger-happy-people-fest because each group knows they can weaponize censorship against each other. With systems that are uncensored , nobody complaint…

It's stupid to be 100% against censorship. Some things should be censored. Like child abuse imagery, for example. The questions are where do you draw the line, and who gets to decide where the line is drawn?

> Like child abuse imagery

you would call that a filter, like spam, and of course it's essential and can be deployed in multiple points (before sending, between servers, at the client). Both users and server instance owners can have control of what they allow. There is little disagreement that these filters should exist, so i expect all server to implement them.

Censorship is about allowing e.g. governments to request takedowns globally. most servers will reject such lists.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by eitland »

Now if we could get

- a few proper web frontends (and especially one like Google+),

- groups (like Google+, WhatsApp, Telegram)

then this would start to look seriously promising.

I'd happily pay a 20-40 bucks a year for that and (if Telegram didn't exist) a bit more to get a hosted but private instance for my extended family.

(That said I have been experimenting with hubzilla this year and it seems seriously promising but all instances seems to be locked down really hard or doesn't acvept new members and testing on my own instance alone doesn't really give me a feel for how it works in practice.)

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by mattrp »

mathgenius wrote: post #57

"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.

Yes I feel like personal ownership of the recommendation engine is the key battleground..otherwise whatever the data is a third party is always deciding what you see.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by Arathorn »

For what it’s worth, Matrix is trying to be the protocol that Jack describes here - complete with relative reputation systems (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/blob/msc2313/propos...) and an open standard (https://matrix.org/docs/spec) and even an open governance process and foundation (https://matrix.org/foundation) - and with work progressing towards fully decentralised p2p matrix.

Rather than building a new initiative from the ground up, we hope there’s some opportunity to join forces on this.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by kick »

djsumdog wrote: post #121
kick wrote: post #82

To those of you pushing for ActivityPub: Webber's trashed it (the initial author) and is working on a way to mitigate the problems of it by implementing incompatible changes, the biggest piece of software claiming to implement it doesn't even implement it (Mastodon), the only piece of software that stays semi-faithful is full of devs who hate it (Pleroma). AP is completely broken for anything but publicly-scoped cont…

I've contribute to Mastodon and run an instance. Yes, it's very silly to think you can use Activity Pub for non-public things .. but isn't that going to be true of ANY distributed social networking protocol? Direct point-to-point we can make secure (relatively) yes. You can run your own e-mail server, setup up PGP keys, and once you make it through that usability nightmare, you now have secure e-mail (if you trust yo…

Hi djsumdog! Weird to see you here!

Use search to find Kaniini's threads about Rapunzel.

Also, no, it's not something inherent in distributed social networking as a whole (previous attempts have avoided it), and it's not even inherent to push protocols, but without a bit of thinking behind it, it's easy to collide with.

Deleting is stupid, though, yeah.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by kick »

laksmanv wrote: post #98
kick wrote: post #82

To those of you pushing for ActivityPub: Webber's trashed it (the initial author) and is working on a way to mitigate the problems of it by implementing incompatible changes, the biggest piece of software claiming to implement it doesn't even implement it (Mastodon), the only piece of software that stays semi-faithful is full of devs who hate it (Pleroma). AP is completely broken for anything but publicly-scoped cont…

Could I shoot you an email about this?

I guess. I'll ping you on yours so you can say whatever; I don't keep mine in my profile (mostly out of laziness).

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by kick »

qqii wrote: post #92
kick wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For two of the biggest uses of Twitter, privately-scoped posts and private messages, Twitter implementing ActivityPub would effectively make that information public. Not a good thing, and one that Twitter would get a lawsuit for. AP is broken for any use other than publicly-scoped posts, and given that Twitter is already a huge target, I think adding fuel to the fire would really be bad here.

Sorry for my ignorance but I don't understand how that's the case? As you've stated masterdon doesn't follow activitypub 100%, would would be stopping twitter from keeping their private chat between twitter users (or even adopting another open protocol such as matrix) whilst moving their public facing stuff to activitypub?

Twitter has "private accounts," which are accounts that have restricted followers, and only allow posting to followers. This is fine with Twitter's way of doing things, however breaks in a federated world.

Matrix is bad for many reasons, but it's not a direct fix over this problem more than a band-aid.

Keeping private stuff centralized would be reasonable, but they're not going to do it: expecting large entities to handle something like this with surgical precision rather than a sledgehammer is unrealistic.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by kick »

jasonzemos wrote: post #102
kick wrote: post #82

To those of you pushing for ActivityPub: Webber's trashed it (the initial author) and is working on a way to mitigate the problems of it by implementing incompatible changes, the biggest piece of software claiming to implement it doesn't even implement it (Mastodon), the only piece of software that stays semi-faithful is full of devs who hate it (Pleroma). AP is completely broken for anything but publicly-scoped cont…

I'd rather see interest in Matrix than ActivityPub.

Matrix has a lot of problems, too, but at least it's not fundamentally flawed, which is a good thing.
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