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So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by anfractuosity »

amyjess wrote: post #131
tomjakubowski wrote: post #38

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> Is there really any flavor to IPAs with IBUs that are through the roof? No, not at all. Yes, there is good, tasty flavor to hops, provided you're not on the sensitive side of the bitter tasting spectrum. The bitter flavor overwhelms everything for some, but not all. If you're curious, there are bitter tasting test strips like these which not everyone is sensitive to. https://www.amazon.com/Nasco-PTC-Paper-Strips-Vi…

> Yes, there is good, tasty flavor to hops, provided you're not on the sensitive side of the bitter tasting spectrum. I'd also add "provided you didn't boil the shit out of them, destroying the essential oils and isomerizing the alpha acids". Generally speaking, a particular batch of hops can add either bitterness or flavor but not both. If you want both, you add multiple batches. A little rundown of the chemicals in…

Nice answer! Also apparently re. NEIPAs some of the brewers seem to dry hop during fermentation, to encourage biotransformation - http://scottjanish.com/examination-of-studies-hopping-method... where apparently the yeast can transform some of the hop oils.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by starpilot »

munificent wrote: post #32

I live in Seattle where the IPA thing is just out of hand. My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. Most people that aren't really into beer don'…

https://brokeassstuart.com/2018/01/29/stop-pretending-like-i...

Taste is a weird thing. People hate bitter coffee, but seem to worship bitter beers.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by lordgrenville »

munificent wrote: post #32

I live in Seattle where the IPA thing is just out of hand. My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. Most people that aren't really into beer don'…

I have a theory that every subculture attracts two types of adherents: people who are genuinely enthusiastic about it and love introducing their passion to new people, and those looking for a way to set themselves apart, who primarily want to gatekeep and condescend to those not "in the know". It's easy to tell the two groups apart by their reaction when meeting a curious outsider.

It sounds like your description would firmly fit the second group. (It doesn't need to be gendered, although it does usually seem to be men who act this way.)

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by smogcutter »

hyperbovine wrote: post #103
smogcutter wrote: post #55

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100% agreed. I think a few things go into it: - Americans don’t really get exposed to good lagers and pilseners. We get Bud[1], not Budvar. So there’s no expectation that beers in those categories could possibly be “good”. IPAs don’t have the same baggage. - For the same reason, it’s easier to differentiate from the big brands on a supermarket shelf. You get to be your own category, not just the more expensive versio…

> Bud on draft is fine. Oh man, was with you till the very end. Most places will have something on tap that qualifies as real beer. PBR, Yuengling, Stella, and Pilsner Urquell are all great lagers. Confronted with 40 taps of HOPULUS PRIME (or whatever), I'll happily swill them all day in a non-ironic, non-cheapskate, non-hipster fashion. But rice adjuncts? No thank you.

I also enjoy all of those more than bud (except maybe PBR), but it’s worth pointing out that they’re all brewed with corn. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s not any better than using rice. It’s still a grain sugar that isn’t barley.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by anfractuosity »

joe_the_user wrote: post #117
tomjakubowski wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there really any flavor to IPAs with IBUs that are through the roof? No, not at all. Yes, there is good, tasty flavor to hops, provided you're not on the sensitive side of the bitter tasting spectrum. The bitter flavor overwhelms everything for some, but not all. If you're curious, there are bitter tasting test strips like these which not everyone is sensitive to. https://www.amazon.com/Nasco-PTC-Paper-Strips-Vi…

Another thing thing I think I've found about the IPA crazy is that it has driven out the variety in IPAs themselves - once there was a spectrum in high-hop tastes between citrus-y and cider-y tastes in high-hop beer but now citrus-y is the only taste that's considered acceptable. The cider-y taste ("green-apple character" I believe) you can taste in the Belgian beer Orval is considered an off-flavor in IPAs and I'm p…

The funky flavour from orval comes from bottling with brettanomyces, I'd not noticed an applely flavour though myself.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by optimuspaul »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #132
uxp100 wrote: post #104

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> My favorite Tweet ever was someone who described this process that dudes do where they show up, take over a hobby, and drive all the fun out (and thus women) as "MENTRIFICATION". It is my new favorite word. So you think that less women ride bicycles and drink beer than 20 years ago?

Definitely the opposite. Just as OP complains about bros getting to into things like beer as their identity, maybe the fail to realize that other people make their identities about real or perceived social injustices and how awesome they are to bring them up a every chance maybe not realizing that's more annoying.

This.

I definitely see a certain culture of men that glom onto things like beer or bicycles or coding and making that their identity. It is because of this that they are seen as "Mentrifying" those hobbies. I do think that there is some risk in those groups alienating those without the same passion from becoming involved in those hobbies. In fact one of the reasons I don't golf anymore is exactly this. Golf culture is intensly insular and full of arrogant people (not to say that all are this way or maybe it has changed since I last golfed).

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

walrus01 wrote: post #99
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #91

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The body-saddle interface is gender specific. That is a problem for a lot of potential riders.

The last time I looked into this, specific to road bike saddles, Specialized and a few others had developed whole product lines and various widths of saddle sit-bone positions specific for female hips and anatomy. But no matter how good a saddle is, for a person just starting with a "real" road bike, who has not been on a bike for many months or years, there's going to be a couple of weeks of discomfort before your p…

No amount of marketing will change human physiology.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by logfromblammo »

walrus01 wrote: post #2

My personal taste complaint with a lot of people who open a brewery... Everyone seems to think that more hops = better beer. There are so many other possible flavors and types to a beer than some type of IPA that is absolutely overloaded with hops. But that seems to be a very common type of thing to brew. When I open something and am assaulted with the aroma of hops, it's not appealing anymore. It was interesting 7-8…

In ages past, before the Reinheitsgebot, the brewers would have their own proprietary blend of gruit, some of which even included hops. I believe some modern brewers have attempted to revive the tradition, many using Sitka spruce tips as the primary flavoring element. A unique proprietary blend of flavorants would certainly be a competitive advantage over all those beers that just use the four major bittering herbs: hops, more hops, even more hops, and a final "screw you" shovelful of hops.

In double-blinded taste tests conducted in my home, the adults concluded that Vienna lagers are the best, and IPAs are the worst.

So I would like to subscribe to your theory that brewers that are bad at brewing just throw more hops at the problem, so they can more easily sell their mistakes. Got some skunk's bathwater? Throw some hops in it!

The IPA was invented because beer shipped to India acquired off flavors due to the longer travel times. It is almost by definition bad beer.

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by fizwhiz »

seiferteric wrote: post #47
tasogare wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My favorite Tweet ever was someone who described this process that dudes do where they show up, take over a hobby, and drive all the fun out (and thus women) as "MENTRIFICATION". It is my new favorite word. You seemed to have missed that part.

I don't think it is inherently sexist to suggest that men or woman may exhibit certain behaviors more than the other. I am not sure when we crossed the line that making any such suggestion is inherently sexist.

> I don't think it is inherently sexist to suggest that men or woman may exhibit certain behaviors more than the other.

Damore, is that you?

Re: So You Think You Want to Open a Brewery (2014)

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Post by streb-lo »

munificent wrote: post #32

I live in Seattle where the IPA thing is just out of hand. My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition. Most people that aren't really into beer don'…

>My uncharitable pet theory is this: A certain class of men (sometimes women, but it's almost always men) get interested in something and then desire to make it part of their identity. That in turn means they want to convey that they are more into it than other people. Their passion expresses itself as competition.

So hacker news and technophiles? Good grief you sound worse than the people you are criticizing. Heaven forbid people like something.

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