Startpage.com, a Google proxy, still works fine in lynx.
Unfortunately, they got bought: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21371577
I am no longer able to use Google with Lynx
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Re: I am no longer able to use Google with Lynx
#142I feel like many of the text-mode browsers have failed to keep up with changing web standards. We were all mad when IE was holding back the Internet, and I'm not sure we should give lynx and w3m a pass because they're geek tools. (Accessibility is an important concern, but web browsers running under a GUI system support screen readers.) https://www.brow.sh/ is a console-based browser that claims to support modern sta…
Thanks for making me aware of brow.sh. What an amazing project.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's analogous to the "should you listen to parents or childless people on the topic of parenthood/children issues". Parents are strongly biased, but they also know much more about the issue. Or: when seeking driving advice, would you reject a priori the opinions of professional drivers, just because they're not representative of the general population? You would be justified in rejecting their views when considering…
It’s nothing like that at all. Those are opinions influenced by technical expertise and experience. User interfaces and design that people like is completely based on personal preferences and tastes. It’s more like the driving instructor telling the pupil that they are factually incorrect for liking Ford cars because of some technical inferiority the instructor believes they have over some other car. Your technical i…
I never said that technical expertise makes my experience more (or less) important. I'm saying that my technical expertise lets me understand my experience better, reason about it better, and communicate it better. I know concepts and vocabulary that a non-tech-savvy user doesn't, which makes it easier for me to pin-point sources of frustration.
User interfaces are an acquired taste. A shiny-looking app built on newest design trends may look appealing at first. But once you're couple hours into using it, your outlook changes. It suddenly starts to matter whether the application is able to handle reasonable-sized workloads without slowing to a crawl (many web applications can't). It matters whether you can use the keyboard instead of clicking on everything. It matters whether the application is fast and responsive, and doesn't. lag. on. you. every. click.
What long experience with software - both as a creator and as a consumer - gives me is the language and ability to look past the shiny facade, and spot the issues that will matter long-term.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is lynx up to spec on HTML5 ARIA attributes? My understanding is that that's how accessibility is "supposed" to be done now, but if lynx hasn't been updated in a while, it might not support those HTML5 features, and thus not be standards compliant. (edit: Someone below notes that lynx appears to incorrectly parse valid HTML5 on the google homepage, so it sounds like Lynx's lack of updates are hurting here).
> Is lynx up to spec on HTML5 ARIA attributes? My understanding is that that's how accessibility is "supposed" to be done now No, that's not true at all and is unfortunately a common anti-pattern. Accessibility is supposed to be done by using standard HTML elements and attributes. ARIA is there to extend / fill in the blanks and to fix things when people deviate from the norm. For instance, if you have a button, you…
I should have been clearer, but imo correctly using html5 node types is part of correctly using html5 attributes.
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#145The redesigned version of Google Search that is being A/B tested no longer shows links. Despite being a developer, I'm anxious to click search results, especially because when results are filtered to be from the last day or week, they are full of phishing sites and pages with scraped content that immediately redirect to malware. This change can't possibly be beneficial to users. It makes people even more ignorant abo…
They took urls away and then added this: https://i.imgur.com/RI4xxgs.png For example, searched "hierarchy" and it'll show "en.wikipedia.org > wiki > hierarchy" above the wikipedia search result. > This change can't possibly be beneficial to users. You're right if the url/domain isn't even shown at all. But I can think of a few benefits of showing the domain as it currently does, like to avoid phishing. It also basica…
What happens when you click the down arrow next to the domain? Google cache/similar links?
Edit: I can see it on all my searches on https://www.google.co.uk/ it is cache/similar
Re: I am no longer able to use Google with Lynx
#146I feel like many of the text-mode browsers have failed to keep up with changing web standards. We were all mad when IE was holding back the Internet, and I'm not sure we should give lynx and w3m a pass because they're geek tools. (Accessibility is an important concern, but web browsers running under a GUI system support screen readers.) https://www.brow.sh/ is a console-based browser that claims to support modern sta…
I'll be the first (EDIT: third) of six. > If all that stuff works for everyone, why did we invent new stuff? Just because? Or perhaps it wasn't really as amazing as well all remember. To better track people and push ads. It's really mostly just it. Modern web has very little to do with providing value to the end-user; any utility that's provided is mostly a side effect, and/or a vector to lure people into situations…
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Re: I am no longer able to use Google with Lynx
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am serious. Yes, it's true it's easier than ever to create sophisticated websites. But it's also true that almost all this sophistication delivers negative value to users - it distracts them, slows them down, and forces them to keep buying faster hardware. It doesn't have to be like this - but it currently is . It's not even just a problem of explicit business incentives - the technical side of the industry has bee…
The mistake you are making is that you are trying to answer the question of what the average user wants by looking at what you want. Developers are not representative of users.
The average user, by Google's own studies, wants a faster experience.
By far.
Is there any evidence that web apps of today are faster in achieving what equivalent non appy web pages of the past managed? Despite the fact that those older "apps" were running on computers which were orders of magnitude slower than our cell phones today.
I've worked with 2 companies now where their users (and both these companies have users who pay 4 digit annual fees per user) have refused to migrate to the new Web 2.0 apps these companies have tried to foist on them.
The difference in these cases is that the users, by virtue of paying, actually have a say and so have required the companies to provide parity with the older and newer applications, and usage continues to not just be higher, but grow faster on the older versions (despite having a larger base).
Regular users have no such option. Google changes GMail, but its users still insist on using the older versions of the app, which is why they provide HTML mode, etc. However, it's users do not pay Google, and are forced to go with whatever Google wants to do, which is constantly hiding the older version and making it progressively worse to use.
It's not evident to me at all that regular users "want" to use these new web 2.0 apps, as much as they don't have a choice.
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#148w3m works fine for me. Any reason people prefer lynx over w3m or eww?
Compatibility with screen readers that blind people use. Moreover, fuck Google and non standard practices in general.
Lynx is not a screen reader. (In fact, it's considerably less accessible to blind users than a typical desktop browser -- as a console application, it has no way to provide accessibility data to a screen reader.)
A screen reader is a tool like JAWS or VoiceOver which interacts with desktop software (including web browsers like Chrome or Safari) to provide information about what the user is interacting with.
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#149> However, being a blind person, I guess I have to accept that Google doesn't care anymore. Jumping from "this isn't working on my incredibly niche browser" to "Google don't care about blind people" is completely ridiculous.
Perhaps you could contribute better by citing examples where Google does care about blind people instead of calling an actual blind person's argument ridiculous.
How about the built-in screen reader in ChromeOS?
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#150Google search no longer working with text readers should be an ADA Violation. https://www.ada.gov/complaint/
Lynx is not a screen reader.
Screen readers are tools like JAWS or VoiceOver which interact with desktop applications, including desktop web browsers such as Chrome or Safari. Google works fine with these.