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Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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Disclosure: I work at a competitor note-taking app called Notable [0], so I'm somewhat biased. I've made a comparison table [1] comparing Joplin and other popular note-taking apps, you may find it useful. Joplin could have been my go-to note-taking app, but IMO they made a few bad design decisions and there are few things I really don't like about it, maybe listing some of them from my point of view could be useful e…

I gotta say I’m a lot less interested in trying Notable when the owner shows up in a competitor’s thread, lists a wall of what appear to be minor nitpicks without describing their own app at all and says “here try my app, that I’ve recently switched from open to closed source!”

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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Disclosure: I work at a competitor note-taking app called Notable [0], so I'm somewhat biased. I've made a comparison table [1] comparing Joplin and other popular note-taking apps, you may find it useful. Joplin could have been my go-to note-taking app, but IMO they made a few bad design decisions and there are few things I really don't like about it, maybe listing some of them from my point of view could be useful e…

If your opinion is biased, as you said, why do you even share it? Just be honest that you want to advertise your (commercial) product. Your "comparison" is just a long list of what you think if bad about Joplin, as if there could not be a single good thing about it - there's nothing neutral or fair about any of it. You're just denigrating competition and advertising your own stuff. I guess it's to be expected from so…

> If your opinion is biased, as you said, why do you even share it?

I think I may have something interesting to say given that I'm writing one of these apps myself, and mentioning for example that in Joplin tags aren't indefinitely nestable but notebooks are is not like I'm making stuff up, if I weren't writing one of those note-taking apps that wouldn't really change that fact.

> Just be honest that you want to advertise your (commercial) product.

Partially my comment was prompted by the opportunity to target new potential users, i.e. people reading this thread are people interested in Joplin, which is an app very similar to mine.

Partially I want to share what I think about Joplin from my perspective.

> Your "comparison" is just a long list of what you think if bad about Joplin

Well, I started my sentence with: "Joplin could have been my go-to note-taking app", meaning there's a lot about it I like, mentioning that I like that it supports Markdown is not an interesting point to make I think, plus I'm actually praising some things, like the ability to edit a note in a third-party editor, is mentioning an ever more powerful way to implement this (i.e. notes stores as plain files on disk with metadata in the front matter) not interesting?

And not all the things I don't like about Joplin are even solved in Notable, some are though, obviously, or Joplin would have been my note-taking app too.

> as if there could not be a single good thing about it

As I said that sentence started with "Joplin could have been my go-to note-taking app", which I think implicitly says a lot of good things.

> there's nothing neutral or fair about any of it.

Ok, what's not fair or neutral about stating the fact that tags aren't indefinitely nestable?

Or maybe your point is that since I'm working for a competitor app I can't talk about this?

> You're just denigrating competition and advertising your own stuff.

I don't think that's fair to say, obviously I wouldn't have made my own note-taking app if I thought Joplin didn't have any important shortcomings.

Would my comment have been fairer if I didn't mention I'm developing Notable? I mean I'm a person who tried Joplin and there were some things I didn't like, how am I supposed to be talking about these things then? How would you have phrased my comment?

> I guess it's to be expected from someone whose tagline is "the app that doesn't suck", yet heavily copying features from all these other apps, which presumably, suck.

If the very first calculator did only additions it would have sucked, if any later calculators _also_ did additions that doesn't imply that they must suck as well.

Plus that's kind of a cheeky tagline that's meant to say the following: I tried other note-taking apps, I couldn't find one that I really liked, so in this sense they sucked for me.

Like if you absolutely need a web-clipper I guess Notable would suck and Joplin would not suck _for you_.

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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I replaced Evernote with Joplin a year or so ago and am pretty happy. It's a little rough around the edges, but it works great and is actively updated. And all my data is stored where I want it to be, with no monthly bill, and no one trying shove "chat" or "enterprise" features down my throat. Also, as the desktop client is a JavaScript app, it was relatively easy to go in and change a few things that I wanted tweake…

Genuinely curious why do you hate Markdown with a passion?

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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post #141

Disclosure: I work at a competitor note-taking app called Notable [0], so I'm somewhat biased. I've made a comparison table [1] comparing Joplin and other popular note-taking apps, you may find it useful. Joplin could have been my go-to note-taking app, but IMO they made a few bad design decisions and there are few things I really don't like about it, maybe listing some of them from my point of view could be useful e…

I gotta say I’m a lot less interested in trying Notable when the owner shows up in a competitor’s thread, lists a wall of what appear to be minor nitpicks without describing their own app at all and says “here try my app, that I’ve recently switched from open to closed source!”

Well everybody has his own preferences, what are nitpicks for you may not be nitpicks for me, and btw I'm prefacing the list by saying that Joplin could have been my go-to app actually, implying: "if it only got some of the things I'm mentioning, which are relevant to me, right, according to my preferences".

I don't think it would have been right to make specifically a comparison between Joplin and Notable in a thread about Joplin, in fact my app also has some of the issues I'm mentioning, not all of them of course or I would be a Joplin user now, what does it matter what my app does to the points I'm making? I'm talking about Joplin as a person who tired it.

The link to my app is kinda there for people who might be interested in that, which is also one of the reasons I made the post in the first place, but I would have written something regardless if I'd be passionate about these note-taking apps without writing one myself.

Would my post have seemed fairer if I didn't mention I'm working in Notable? Or like am I disallowed to talk about other note-taking apps now that I'm developing one and I know something about them? Like, given that I develop Notable and there a few things I don't like about Joplin which didn't allow me to become a Joplin user, how do you think I should have phrased my post?

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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Looks like a strong candidate to replace Google Keep when they suddenly decide to shut it down.

And what happens when dynalist shuts down? That’s why I prefer self-hosted or plain old Apple Notes :-)

Daily export to Google Docs/Dropbox for paid users and free manual export to html, text and I believe cvs for anyone.

One huge selling point for Dynalist, and why I don't mind paying for it, is the data portability is perfect.

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

#146

Disclosure: I work at a competitor note-taking app called Notable [0], so I'm somewhat biased. I've made a comparison table [1] comparing Joplin and other popular note-taking apps, you may find it useful. Joplin could have been my go-to note-taking app, but IMO they made a few bad design decisions and there are few things I really don't like about it, maybe listing some of them from my point of view could be useful e…

No-Go for me when there isn't mobile support, but once that's there, I am very happy to switch to that.

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 20 days into my trial of DevonThink and I’m getting close to pulling the trigger. I’m using it as a hybrid read-later pocket replacement + personal knowledge database. The combination of “See Also” auto suggestions for inbox sorting and deep search capabilities is everything I had been wanting in a PKM suite. I wish they had extended the auto-sorting/suggestions to the tags feature, it’s my favorite feature of Po…

Is there a Windows or Web client for DevonThink?

DevonThink Server has a feature limited Web interface

Re: Joplin – a note taking and to-do application with synchronization capabilities

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I would recommend https://standardnotes.org/ after trying all other (OneNote, Boostnote, QOwnNotes, etc.) note taking SWs. Encrypted linked storage (S3, Dropbox, ...) for files, encrypted notes, multiplatform, multiple editors (code, 2FA, markdown, spreadsheets, your own!, ...) & can be self hosted. Easy (also encrypted) backups. I only miss the diagrams tool (like draw.io) or handwriting (touch/pen) support.

Does it support Google Drive?

Yes. There is a CloudLink extension for saving the history & notes itself I think, which supports Dropbox, Google Drive & OneDrive. Backup can be also sent daily by the email. And then there is a FileSafe for files - you will simply generate the key (there's a button for it) and upload you files, which will be offline encrypted and then uploaded to your configured cloud storage - Dropbox, Google Drive, WebDAV, AWS S3. The size is currently limited to 50MB (because of the offline encryption).
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