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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Arnt »

dyslexit wrote: post #122
n1231231231234 wrote: post #89

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> with all the google bits removed well, except for the fact that it's still a chromium browser and google really sets the general agenda for all chromium browsers.

What do you mean by "general agenda"?

Google basically decides what to implement, what not to implement, what to deprecate.

For example the current controversial change: Google says "slow web is bad" and deprecates an API that allowed extensions to do almost unlimited work for any web page. Oops. Adblockers depended on that and did want to do almost unlimited work for any web page, and that wasn't a bug, but the API gets dropped, AIUI because Google wants performance. The reason doesn't matter though. Google gets to set the agenda, no matter what its reasons are.

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Post by buboard »

have_faith wrote: post #125
buboard wrote: post #109

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> quality that people are willing to pay for though You 're only talking about news sites. While they are the loudest to complain, most of the web traffic is not news sites, but sites with immense amounts of valuable information, most of which is not compensated well. The only one who gets compensated well is Google, and we should change that. Businesses are constantly willing to give money for advertising, and they…

I didn't just mean news sites, they are a good example though. There is a lot of sites out there with very valuable information, I'm not convinced that they inherently need compensating though? but I might be mis-interpreting what you mean. More specifically I don't think encouraging these valuable sites to survive on new ad driven or donation modals is pragmatic, especially one backed by a crypto like BAT. If I crea…

> I'm not convinced that they inherently need compensating though?

I am. I find some excellent Youtube channels, and i m sure google is not compensating them enough. I find interesting comments here or on reddit which are never compensated. For small audiences, there is just no way to be compensated. IF people take the time to provide value to me, simple logic says there should be a way to compensate them (but there isn't). It seems like we have the technology to transform the way we live and we don't use it.

> create high value content and put it online for free

Most people do that with the expectation that once they hit a popularity threshold, they 'll be able to monetize it. At least that's what Google promises them (thats how blogs and youtube took off), and after they bait they switch and start starving creators of income. We can do better than that, imho

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Post by nostrademons »

visarga wrote: post #123
nostrademons wrote: post #57

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It's also critical that it be a currency not used for any purpose other than advertising. The point of BAT is to price attention: users have the option of opting out of ads, if they do so it means less BAT available for purchase, which raises the price of BAT, which increases the rewards for opting into ads, which means more people opt in, which leads to an equilibrium price. If they had used say Monero for this, the…

> which raises the price of BAT Why would the price of BAT raise when uses opt out of ads?

Two mechanisms:

1.) Less inventory. Advertisers bid for spots on the platform, which means that if there're fewer users accepting advertisers, the remaining spots will require more BAT, which requires purchasing more BAT on the open market. Higher demand + constant supply = higher price.

2.) Fewer user rewards. Users receive BAT when browsing, which they can either tip to creators or sell on an exchange (I'm not sure the latter option is available right now). Unless the users or creators are themselves advertisers, there's no use for BAT though, other than selling it to an advertiser. So when fewer users are receiving BAT, there's less available for purchase on exchanges. Constant demand + reduced supply = higher price.

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Post by mrob »

RandomBacon wrote: post #110
Spivak wrote: post #80

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It's not malware if it's done at the users request. And the user is free to display the web pages it downloads in any way they want.

Users willingly installed toolbars too.

And if it was truly willing, and the toolbar only did what it claimed it would do, then it wasn't malware.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by thanatropism »

grzte wrote: post #72
colordrops wrote: post #45

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It's perfect for my use case: Chrome but with all the google bits removed and built-in ad-blocking. Can't say any of those things you listed have bothered me. I don't use BAT. Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

I was thinking the same. I considered Vivaldi for some time but it was just buggy. That's a shame because now that Chrome is going to release manifest v3, many users will look for alternatives. Vivaldi has had years to polish their UI but they have missed the train. Eventually I'll settle with Brave, I think.

I used Vivaldi for about six months. I loved many aspects of the UI, which I found innovative and highly configurable. But it was so slow!

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Post by Kpourdeilami »

apazzolini wrote: post #129
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

> rather than intrusive in-page ads, Brave ads show up as a notification in your operating system I'm sorry, how is that not orders of magnitudes MORE intrusive?

It is a lot more intrusive in my experience. I'd get notifications about random blockchain conferences all the time before I figured I had to disable brave rewards to get rid of them.

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Post by sergiotapia »

Already using Brave on my work computer for the past year ish. Infinitely better than _anything_ out there.

Once they offer browser sync of saved passwords and history, I'm gone for good chrome/firefox on every other device I own.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by mantap »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #124
ulzeraj wrote: post #111

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Why does it seem wrong? Internet ads use your internet connection and time. Why should I watch them for free?

Presumably you are viewing ads on a website that is giving you some sort of value so you aren't doing it for free.

In my experience the most valuable websites have few ads and the most trashy websites have the most.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by heimatau »

I keep trying to use Brave but I feel that it drops the ball. I think Hamcha encapsulates most of my grievances.

I'd like to add that if your Browser is trying to add a new dynamic of economics but your UX is terrible dealing with tips (fixed) and you're annoying users about needing a deposit. You're doing it wrong.

It's almost like Brave doesn't even believe in it's mission. There should be an intense focus on their product. That they are relentless at it. Because right now, it all seems half-baked.

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