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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by bluedino »

Someone1234 wrote: post #86
htk wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same. The stubbornness of Apple that was so frustrating is a bit more flexible now, paying attention to "subtle" feedback like the arrow key's sizes.

It may be "flexible" or their hand was forced. I know, personally, at least half a dozen people who have either delayed a Macbook purchased or outright moved to PC alternatives (e.g. XPS 13, Surface Laptop) because of the poor keyboard (both reliability and touchbar). Now six people isn't statistically significant, but if that trend mirrors a wider one it could be costing Apple a measurable amount. The real question…

They'll go right back, don't worry.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dvcrn »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I like the Touch Bar a lot. Not having esc was the only gripe I had with it but I personally much prefer the multifunctional bar over some static f keys

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by sdan »

ilogik wrote: post #118
dashwav wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The escape key will be especially welcome by me, as I found the touchbar exceptionally hard to deal with, and I would often have to hit it three or four times to get vim to exit insert mode. I actually didn't have much trouble with the arrow keys, despite all the negative feedback I saw for them online. Hopefully this trend continues and they can iterate on this model even further.

I was listening to the Upgrade podcast (from relayfm), the episode that was just released includes an interview with someone from Apple (I think she's the PM for the MBP?) She specifically mentioned vim users as one of the reasons for bringing back the escape key

How long ago was "just released"?

Pretty sure Apple employees are locked into heavy NDAs (like many others in tech).

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by canuckintime »

Klonoar wrote: post #131
mcv wrote: post #104

A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned. I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.

The other brands don't have macOS. Running a Mac isn't just hardware. People were annoyed because they don't want to run a different OS. Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else... but it's not macOS. Hackintoshes need not apply here.

> Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else...

would you agree with this change to your description?:

"Yes, you could get [better] hardware somewhere else..."

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ebg13 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #52

11 years ago I bought a 15” MacBook Pro, the first model year with the unibody design. I’m still using it almost every day for web browsing, watching videos, editing documents, etc. In 2008, it cost $2,400. The new 16” released today costs... $2,400.

And my Quadra 950 cost three times that in 1992 dollars.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by rco8786 »

Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

Dang. My 15” is already a hit too big for airplane work and this won’t help. 13 is too small as a daily driver. Can a guy get a 14”??

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by mcv »

Klonoar wrote: post #131
mcv wrote: post #104

A co-worker is really impressed with all the improvements, but they seem to mostly be improvements over previous poor ideas from Apple, that other brands already had or never abandoned. I admit, a 16" screen in a 15" body sounds really nice. But most of this is stuff other brands already had.

The other brands don't have macOS. Running a Mac isn't just hardware. People were annoyed because they don't want to run a different OS. Yes, you could get cheaper/powerful hardware somewhere else... but it's not macOS. Hackintoshes need not apply here.

And that's the big thing that keeps surprising me: that there's no laptop maker that produces high quality laptops with their own custom super nice Linux-based but Mac OS-like OS on it. Everybody seems content saddling their hardware with Windows.

Thing is, Mac OS isn't as great as it used to be either. They used to be brilliant developer laptops, but Apple seems to want everybody in their walled garden.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by wolph »

jron wrote: post #62

Apple must have sunk some serious cash into the touch bar. I can't believe it is still a thing.

They're just notoriously bad at admitting being wrong. Just look at how many keyboard iterations it took to get back to the old working keyboards.

For me personally think this could work, not having an esc button was a deal breaker for me but this might just convince me to finally upgrade my old mbp retina

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